Hello versys owners, I've joined your ranks with a new to me 2015 650lt, green, currently residing in my shop. It reminds me of what my previous klr650's aspired to be, though I haven't approached any dirt roads yet! I look forward to learning my bike, and probably reconnecting with some Concours owners who I know through my affiliation with COG. Steve
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Steve in Sunny Fl
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Sounds like an iron butt trip.
You gonna post pics and a description in the ride section?
No pics and I was too busy riding and hanging with folks at a couple of small(45 and 80 attendees) COG rallies to do any kind of write up. Spider Rally near Steelville, MO and the Run With the Wolf in Suches, GA. Of course I just had to play some in AR to wear of even more of the side tread on my tahrs.
Longest day was ten hours in the saddle, plenty enough in the summer time heat running from near Mountain Home, AR to Wedowee, AL. For the run from Wedowee to home I left at 3am to help avoid the afternnoon heat.
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Any intel on if this flash currently works with an aftermarket exhaust like the Leo Vince system? Very interested in the flash, and also really enjoying the LV system...
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The way I tune, I would need the bike for a good amount of time to re-develop the fuel charts, if the header is actually working. i won't rule it out, but there would have to be a real demand for that setup to invest that amount of time. Because I don't anticipate folks with smaller displacement bike to be as "motivated" as guys with large displacement bikes to invest in performance, I have set the price for the flash very low, so as to not be prohibitive. So low, in fact, that it wouldn't be worth it to explore a flash for an different exhaust unless the market could prove a serious demand existed for it.
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Right on that makes sense and was somewhat suspected, thanks for the reply Steve
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well, we might have an answer on this sooner than later. i had a conversation with a fellow V owner who also has a leo vince system, and he told me he really didn't think it changed much from the stock system, power-wise. As far as tuning, that might mean that the flash will work with this system, so we are going to give it a try. Will report back after the owner has given his impressions.
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Preliminary MPG on the new flash.
I road 195 miles since the last fill up. Filled up today and it took 3.45 gallons. MPG works out right at 56.5 mpg. My average prior to the flash was 54 mpg.
The 195 miles consisted of mostly up in the Sierra's. Elevation ranged from 500 feet up to around 7000. Most of the time was spent at the 3000 to 5000 foot level. About 35 miles were in town, including several start ups from stone cold engine.
Will keep a log and see what average MPG is after several fill ups.
Have not been on the bike for a couple of weeks due to getting my face carved on. Yes there is thread on this too...Lol. Sure fun getting old!
Man I just have to say again, I REALLY like how my bike runs with Steve's new flash. It's definitely worth the price of admission.
I road 195 miles since the last fill up. Filled up today and it took 3.45 gallons. MPG works out right at 56.5 mpg. My average prior to the flash was 54 mpg.
The 195 miles consisted of mostly up in the Sierra's. Elevation ranged from 500 feet up to around 7000. Most of the time was spent at the 3000 to 5000 foot level. About 35 miles were in town, including several start ups from stone cold engine.
Will keep a log and see what average MPG is after several fill ups.
Have not been on the bike for a couple of weeks due to getting my face carved on. Yes there is thread on this too...Lol. Sure fun getting old!
Man I just have to say again, I REALLY like how my bike runs with Steve's new flash. It's definitely worth the price of admission.
The flash does help drive ability a bunch in low and mid range.
Have you had a chance to do low speed(under 3k rpm) stuff? Things are a bit more mellow down there, IMHO.
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Initial throttle application is a bit softer/smoother, this being from closed throttle.
I do think the engine now pulls better in the very low rpm's. I have been in 5th gear at 2500 rpm and hit the gas to around 1/4 throttle and the bike just pulls away with little complaint. I don't regularly drop this low on the revs but have done so probably a dozen times with the new flash.
As I have said before I typically live in the 3500 to 5500 rpm range most of the time where the improvement is quite noticeable. Out on a ride yesterday I took it into the upper rev range and am really amazed at how strong the bike pulls up there too.
Definitely a very satisfied customer here.
Flash update.
I've spent the better part of the last couple of days playing and learning at the Shoodaben skunkworks. Really cool learning how electrons get moved around to tell the engine systems how to play together.
Please note. The following info is as I recall it and is subject to a mis-recall by my old and feeble brain. Also for disclosure, I've known Steve for over twelve years, dating form my Connie days. I have enjoyed his "sport touring performance enhancements by a sport touring rider" on my '99 Connie that I sold and now has over a quarter million miles on it.
Steve at Shoodaben was recently able to get access to override the fuel cut part of the ECU. As he recently sold his 650, we hooked up to do some retuning of the ECU using my bike as he wanted to revisit the tune.
First off, I was happy with what he had already accomplished which is covered elsewhere. Then he got work, the first day we re-flashed with no fuel cut and some other changes. An improvement but he wanted to do some more refinement as he heard my bike do a couple of light exhaust pops when I left for my eighty mile ride home and he wanted to work more on easing the throttle transitioning from closed to open. We talked that afternoon and scheduled a full day of tuning for yesterday. We continued to mess with fueling, then a bit of timing adjusting and finally played with the secondaries. This was all an effort to ease the throttle transition from closed/decelerate to gentle throttle openings.
Results.
First, second and third gear were all eased when opening the throttle lightly. Especially first gear. What is cool is that if you want a handful of throttle is is still there. He also made it work so that a handful of throttle is a lot more pleasant to deal with, ending the really sharp hit of power from grabbing a bunch of throttle. It's not a delay, just a smoother hit. Before, there was sometimes a bit of hesitation coming off of closed throttle as the engine was coming off of the fuel cut. That is no more. Simply awesome.
All of this combines to make the bike more of a joy to ride smoothly and easily. coming out of corners using light throttle is much more smooth. On the pegs slow putting around under 3k rpm is crazy better and easier. Third gear right turns are a reality if you just want to ease around. The way the bike runs in the lower rpms is just amazing compared to the factory tune.
I've not noticed a big MPG change but in theory it should be better as the engine runs so much better in lower rpms so one can spend more time there. But even if there is not an improvement, the bike runs so much better, I'm glad I spent the dough on the flash.
I'm not sure he has this flash on his website, but that update will happen soon.
Google up Shoodaben for contact info. Lots of good reading there also on his tuning philosophy. He has been at it for quite a while.
HTH.
I've spent the better part of the last couple of days playing and learning at the Shoodaben skunkworks. Really cool learning how electrons get moved around to tell the engine systems how to play together.
Please note. The following info is as I recall it and is subject to a mis-recall by my old and feeble brain. Also for disclosure, I've known Steve for over twelve years, dating form my Connie days. I have enjoyed his "sport touring performance enhancements by a sport touring rider" on my '99 Connie that I sold and now has over a quarter million miles on it.
Steve at Shoodaben was recently able to get access to override the fuel cut part of the ECU. As he recently sold his 650, we hooked up to do some retuning of the ECU using my bike as he wanted to revisit the tune.
First off, I was happy with what he had already accomplished which is covered elsewhere. Then he got work, the first day we re-flashed with no fuel cut and some other changes. An improvement but he wanted to do some more refinement as he heard my bike do a couple of light exhaust pops when I left for my eighty mile ride home and he wanted to work more on easing the throttle transitioning from closed to open. We talked that afternoon and scheduled a full day of tuning for yesterday. We continued to mess with fueling, then a bit of timing adjusting and finally played with the secondaries. This was all an effort to ease the throttle transition from closed/decelerate to gentle throttle openings.
Results.
First, second and third gear were all eased when opening the throttle lightly. Especially first gear. What is cool is that if you want a handful of throttle is is still there. He also made it work so that a handful of throttle is a lot more pleasant to deal with, ending the really sharp hit of power from grabbing a bunch of throttle. It's not a delay, just a smoother hit. Before, there was sometimes a bit of hesitation coming off of closed throttle as the engine was coming off of the fuel cut. That is no more. Simply awesome.
All of this combines to make the bike more of a joy to ride smoothly and easily. coming out of corners using light throttle is much more smooth. On the pegs slow putting around under 3k rpm is crazy better and easier. Third gear right turns are a reality if you just want to ease around. The way the bike runs in the lower rpms is just amazing compared to the factory tune.
I've not noticed a big MPG change but in theory it should be better as the engine runs so much better in lower rpms so one can spend more time there. But even if there is not an improvement, the bike runs so much better, I'm glad I spent the dough on the flash.
I'm not sure he has this flash on his website, but that update will happen soon.
Google up Shoodaben for contact info. Lots of good reading there also on his tuning philosophy. He has been at it for quite a while.
HTH.
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This is what I read:
Where do I send my money?
Thanks for all the work on this.
YES!:grin2:
Where do I send my money?
Thanks for all the work on this.
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signed, stamped, and ready to send! I can't wait.
(although sadly the Fiona is telling me very soon it is time for her winter hibernation)
(although sadly the Fiona is telling me very soon it is time for her winter hibernation)
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Started a new thread
Those with simple questions or are jumping on the hay ride, you can continue chatting here, anything technical , go here;
https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru...ys.com/forums/74-how-forum/218243-ecus-flashing-tuning-versys-650-complete.html
Those with simple questions or are jumping on the hay ride, you can continue chatting here, anything technical , go here;
https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru...ys.com/forums/74-how-forum/218243-ecus-flashing-tuning-versys-650-complete.html
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ECU / Re-Flashing/ Complete / For those that have committed/ Further discussion
For those that have committed/ Further discussion, as the title. For those new members, the How To Forum was a idea I had several years ago, 95% of the content got there through my keyboard, I ain't a IT guy, just a master electrician with electronic endorsement, well the list is a lot longer but who cares, a two finger typist.
What generates revenue now is adds, websites , all kinds of ways to make money, not all legit, this Forum is to protect the content posted within, adding links and other info on any other forum of this Versys website will enable search engines, including those search bots that spam people, since the prime reason I joined this forum goes back to 2008, when Invader posted the TPS tweak , he has contributed immensely and is one of the reasons this forum is what it is.
FYI all us mods get payed the same $00.00 per hour.
As a mod I at first was shocked at how many search engines are frequenting this site, post a new thread related to valve shim, give it a day, do a google search, don't be surprised to see your post without logging in . Except for this forum, I have created a thread for members, it's sole purpose is to give members a place to find suppliers / links , without going against the forum rules of redirecting.
https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru.../74-how-forum/217985-parts-suppliers-versys-do-not-copy-paste-other-forums.html
The How To Forum is restricted to members, posting is restricted to members with 20 posts, however, if someone wants, they can post in one of the other threads and ask me to move it here NP.
Last thing, older members will recognize this, for newer members, there was a thread for discussing Thermo-Bob, the owner is a member and participated in that thread, same with Speedy being a member and discussing the lowering link made by MotoWerks.
This thread is for Steve in Sunny Fl / Shoodaben Engineering Anyone with a 2015 / 2016 650 Versys
#1 Fan On Temperature Setting Change
This new thread for ECU, is for those with questions concerning the flash, one that has been brought up and I wish to address is the fan on temperature setting, my opinion is the on temperature is set too high, two events happen, we have the energy in heat already in the motor when the fan comes on, plus the energy we are adding , possibly stop and go traffic, by bringing the fan on sooner at a lower temperature , say 205'F, we are removing less energy sooner, our on run time of the fan increases, however instead of exceeding 214'F, we are removing it sooner, very similar to many cars with two fans, first comes on at temperature A, if it exceeds A by 10'F , second fan comes on. Since we only have 1 fan, I would like it coming on sooner.
I don't want members posting in this thread , getting on a soap box telling how wrong this re-flash idea is, simply put,I copied post #8 from the other forum, I tolerated it there, twice I looked at it in this forum, considered deleting it, luckily I found a use for it, post like this in this forum& your post will be removed and you will get a PM from me. ( everyone is entitled to their opinion, this thread is specific, keep that in mind)
For those that have committed/ Further discussion, as the title. For those new members, the How To Forum was a idea I had several years ago, 95% of the content got there through my keyboard, I ain't a IT guy, just a master electrician with electronic endorsement, well the list is a lot longer but who cares, a two finger typist.
What generates revenue now is adds, websites , all kinds of ways to make money, not all legit, this Forum is to protect the content posted within, adding links and other info on any other forum of this Versys website will enable search engines, including those search bots that spam people, since the prime reason I joined this forum goes back to 2008, when Invader posted the TPS tweak , he has contributed immensely and is one of the reasons this forum is what it is.
FYI all us mods get payed the same $00.00 per hour.
As a mod I at first was shocked at how many search engines are frequenting this site, post a new thread related to valve shim, give it a day, do a google search, don't be surprised to see your post without logging in . Except for this forum, I have created a thread for members, it's sole purpose is to give members a place to find suppliers / links , without going against the forum rules of redirecting.
https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru.../74-how-forum/217985-parts-suppliers-versys-do-not-copy-paste-other-forums.html
The How To Forum is restricted to members, posting is restricted to members with 20 posts, however, if someone wants, they can post in one of the other threads and ask me to move it here NP.
Last thing, older members will recognize this, for newer members, there was a thread for discussing Thermo-Bob, the owner is a member and participated in that thread, same with Speedy being a member and discussing the lowering link made by MotoWerks.
This thread is for Steve in Sunny Fl / Shoodaben Engineering Anyone with a 2015 / 2016 650 Versys
#1 Fan On Temperature Setting Change
This new thread for ECU, is for those with questions concerning the flash, one that has been brought up and I wish to address is the fan on temperature setting, my opinion is the on temperature is set too high, two events happen, we have the energy in heat already in the motor when the fan comes on, plus the energy we are adding , possibly stop and go traffic, by bringing the fan on sooner at a lower temperature , say 205'F, we are removing less energy sooner, our on run time of the fan increases, however instead of exceeding 214'F, we are removing it sooner, very similar to many cars with two fans, first comes on at temperature A, if it exceeds A by 10'F , second fan comes on. Since we only have 1 fan, I would like it coming on sooner.
I don't want members posting in this thread , getting on a soap box telling how wrong this re-flash idea is, simply put,I copied post #8 from the other forum, I tolerated it there, twice I looked at it in this forum, considered deleting it, luckily I found a use for it, post like this in this forum& your post will be removed and you will get a PM from me. ( everyone is entitled to their opinion, this thread is specific, keep that in mind)
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If you have a Gen 3 V650, you need this; much better than a loud pipe or Power Commander!
I got my SHOODABEN ENGINEERING flashed ECU from Steve yesterday. It only took two days to get there and two days back, California to Florida. Even though I have a house full of company, I got to sneak away for a quick 20 mile test drive.
Steve did an amazing job on this ECU tune, actually beyond my expectations! Throttle response is really better at all RPM ranges. I even felt the difference just blipping the throttle!
It will pull very cleanly from 2500 and the complete 3000 rpm range is perfect now. Opening the throttle hard at 4000 and you hear the intake howl much louder than before and you can really feel you have more ponies in the mid range.
My timing was perfect as Steve had just got deceleration fuel cut deletion ironed out, so now the bike isn't shutting off when decelerating and there's no throttle abruptness ever coming back on throttle. Engine braking is now as it should be. That on/off is not just an irritant, but it comes into play entering and exiting corners. The bike even seems to shift better since the throttle isn’t completely chopped off.
Just as I pulled up to the garage, the fan kicked on, much earlier than before. Outside temperature was only 75º (24º Celsius)
When I test drove a Tracer 900 a while back, I noted that the best part of the bike was it’s smooth power delivery, I now have that on my better than ever Gen 3 Versys 650.
I’ll report back when I get some real miles on her in the Sierra.
You did an awesome job, Steve!
I got my SHOODABEN ENGINEERING flashed ECU from Steve yesterday. It only took two days to get there and two days back, California to Florida. Even though I have a house full of company, I got to sneak away for a quick 20 mile test drive.
Steve did an amazing job on this ECU tune, actually beyond my expectations! Throttle response is really better at all RPM ranges. I even felt the difference just blipping the throttle!
It will pull very cleanly from 2500 and the complete 3000 rpm range is perfect now. Opening the throttle hard at 4000 and you hear the intake howl much louder than before and you can really feel you have more ponies in the mid range.
My timing was perfect as Steve had just got deceleration fuel cut deletion ironed out, so now the bike isn't shutting off when decelerating and there's no throttle abruptness ever coming back on throttle. Engine braking is now as it should be. That on/off is not just an irritant, but it comes into play entering and exiting corners. The bike even seems to shift better since the throttle isn’t completely chopped off.
Just as I pulled up to the garage, the fan kicked on, much earlier than before. Outside temperature was only 75º (24º Celsius)
When I test drove a Tracer 900 a while back, I noted that the best part of the bike was it’s smooth power delivery, I now have that on my better than ever Gen 3 Versys 650.
I’ll report back when I get some real miles on her in the Sierra.
You did an awesome job, Steve!
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Excellent
Well I am looking forward to getting my ECU done, will be like a new bike, may get less speeding tickets ( a place called Honeywood, population about 30, in the middle of no where but got a speed limit of 50 KM/HR ), one of those cases that the bike sucks below 4000 RPM, so a lower gear and higher RPM, very easy to do 15KM / HR over.
I assume that Steve followed through with dropping the fan on temp. by 10'F , which would be about 202'F.
Well I am looking forward to getting my ECU done, will be like a new bike, may get less speeding tickets ( a place called Honeywood, population about 30, in the middle of no where but got a speed limit of 50 KM/HR ), one of those cases that the bike sucks below 4000 RPM, so a lower gear and higher RPM, very easy to do 15KM / HR over.
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Yes, fan on temp dropped 10*
I know I can't link, but the comprehensive list of changes is listed on my website, Shoodaben Engineering.
Sorry, but I can't add "reduction of tendency to get speeding tickets" to the list. Well, I could, but I would be lying. :wink2:
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Some OF The Basics At A Glance
I copied some of the highlights, sort of a quick view, for more details go to his site ; https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru.../74-how-forum/217985-parts-suppliers-versys-do-not-copy-paste-other-forums.html
All tuning was done with 87 octane pump gas. No need for higher octane. This is a comprehensive flash, and includes the following changes to the ECU:
Intake air pressure fuel map optimized;
Throttle position fuel map optimized;
Ignition timing optimized;
All gear based secondary throttle maps optimized;
Deceleration fuel cut is defeated, off/on throttle is smooth as butter!
Rev limiter is lowered 500 rpm to 9500... safer for the engine and doesn't sacrifice any performance;
Engine cooling fan on temp lowered 10*.
FYI, anything posted within this How To Forum, is viewable by members only.
I copied some of the highlights, sort of a quick view, for more details go to his site ; https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru.../74-how-forum/217985-parts-suppliers-versys-do-not-copy-paste-other-forums.html
All tuning was done with 87 octane pump gas. No need for higher octane. This is a comprehensive flash, and includes the following changes to the ECU:
Intake air pressure fuel map optimized;
Throttle position fuel map optimized;
Ignition timing optimized;
All gear based secondary throttle maps optimized;
Deceleration fuel cut is defeated, off/on throttle is smooth as butter!
Rev limiter is lowered 500 rpm to 9500... safer for the engine and doesn't sacrifice any performance;
Engine cooling fan on temp lowered 10*.
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