[dddd]

Nah. The performance improvement I'd like should be on suspension, a 19" front wheel and a real solid bashplate.

 

[hawkerjet]

Would you be interested in a wider powerband and more power for your v650? What if it came with increased fuel economy? Would you actually be willing to spend some of your hard earned money for that?

You bet I would!:smile2:

 

[onewizard]

What This Thread Is About

Add $1000 bucks in an aftermarket exhaust and power commander and all of those complaints go away. Gas mileage goes up with the exhaust then back down with the power commander. Overall I am down .5 miles per gallon(plus the investment). Up a great exhaust note, many grins and can trek down to 2.5k rpms no worries. Power ALL the way up.

Without letting the cat out of the bag, that is what this thread and my link are about, since nobody PM me in Thread combined Aug.3 , Steve started this thread. For some older members this was discussed here https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru...tions-performance-v-650/88345-pc-v-auto-tune.html?highlight=steve+sunny+florida check the very last post. And yes there was also discussion about some members running a PCV with Autotune in their MK-1 and MK-3 successfully , not disputing that, this is about using your OEM ECU and reflashing with tested settings that make a marked improvement similar to the Concours.

 

[Steve in Sunny Fl]

Just so folks understand, you cannot begin to compare a PCV to flashing. Not even close.

ETA - Power commander can really only adjust fueling on the tPS based fuel map. there is another map that's controlled by intake pressure that a power commander will only screw up. plus flashing allows changes to secondary throttle settings, timing, limiters and a host of other parameters. This is an important distiction, in that the results are vastly different also. Steve

 

[mentolio]

Color me interested!

 

[tommyvous59]

I agree as to power, however if you jumped on a 2015, you would be in for a big disappointment in the 2500 to 4000 RPM range. I know, I had a 2007 and 16 tooth front sprocket, I now have a 2015 with the OEM 15 tooth. On the 07 I was able to take off in second gear with a passenger and run in the 3000 RPM range in 4th gear and accelerate smoothly , I would never try that with the 2015 . In the 3000 RPM range it is just rough period! It shines @ or above 4500 RPM.

i'm personally satisfied with the power vs gas mileage on my 2008. i have a 44t rear sprocket and have plenty of low end grunt, and 1st gear is actually useful. can easily start off in 2nd gear as well. i took note of onewizard's comment re his 2015 lack of low end pull. any easy explanation?

 

[weljo2001]

If you bought a bike but feel the need to modify it for more power.....Then you bought the wrong bike in the first place...

 

[1largebarge]

Woa a bit confused by the posts here. Blame it on a few too many wasted brain cells in lieu of having a good time.

The power commander (greatly) helped mitigate the fueling issues of the mk-3 versys exasperated by an aftermarket exhaust. It is now better than stock and seems to be a happy motor down to 2.5k rpms.

These mods DID put a little more grunt to the V. That being said, in no way did the mods turned it into a liter bike. It did however lighten the bike up, give it a bit more power, a great exhaust note, and totally fixed the touchy throttle.

I’m not an expert in ECUs and re-flashing, but for the extra money I have the bike that I was looking for. To each their own, but these mods make me want to ride the V even more than I already did. 14k miles in 2.5 years, and not letting up. Spend money on the mods that make you want to ride more, just my $0.02.

 

[twowheeladdict]

Misleading title. For me more performance isn't about HP. It is about being able to handle the curves. HP isn't going to make the bike faster and safer through the curves. Suspension and brakes are the performance mods I would be looking for.

 

[Steve in Sunny Fl]

If you bought a bike but feel the need to modify it for more power.....Then you bought the wrong bike in the first place...

let's change that statement a bit, let's change it instead from "modify it for more power" to maybe "modify it for more safety" or "modify it for more comfort" ... still feel the same way? every bike isn't 100% perfect for the person riding it, but if you can get it where you want it, why not? what if I wanted a versys 650 for all that it does, but I don't like the seat... should I find another bike that I like the seat on, but it's not a versys?

Steve

 

[Steve in Sunny Fl]

Misleading title. For me more performance isn't about HP. It is about being able to handle the curves. HP isn't going to make the bike faster and safer through the curves. Suspension and brakes are the performance mods I would be looking for.

There's different kinds of performance. I wouldn't say the title is misleading, it's just not the performance YOU are looking for. And BTW, I agree with you on suspension, it really does help bring out a bike's capabilies, but so does squaring away engine performance.

BTW, I saw a post where you said you grew up in Methuen. Did we ever discuss that? I did too, in Lawrence then Methuen, just down from the water tower.

And don't we know each other from the concours world?

Steve

 

[onewizard]

i'm personally satisfied with the power vs gas mileage on my 2008. i have a 44t rear sprocket and have plenty of low end grunt, and 1st gear is actually useful. can easily start off in 2nd gear as well. i took note of onewizard's comment re his 2015 lack of low end pull. any easy explanation?

Like I said in Post #4, been riding a V for 10 years, regrets getting a 2015 ? About equal now, however improving the low RPM response / stability I stated in post #4 would be a big plus:thumb::thumb::thumb:

If you bought a bike but feel the need to modify it for more power.....Then you bought the wrong bike in the first place...

I know this isn't in reference to my previous post but it fits, if the 650 ABS wasn't sufficient HP for me I would never have sold my 07 Versys, however several people suggested I would be surprised with the MK-3 improvements over the 07 ( no doubt in my mind ), fortunately I can work around the low RPM poor response , overall it does everything I want of a bike, the best being the twisties . So to be clear, if I could get a reflash of my ECU to give me that response / stability in the 2500 to 4500 RPM range I would have a even bigger :grin2:




Below 4500 RPM , better /smoother response which was the title of post #2, really describes this thread, and it isn't a debate, it is more of asking if there is interest in getting your ECU reflashed, same guy that did the Concours . I hope that clears things up.

This is something that Kawasaki could have done but chose for whatever reasons not to ( could be emissions, fuel mileage, any number of things)

 

[Jay_Chicago]

While you guys keep the debate going and your bikes in your garage doing all those mods, excuse me I have 300 miles in front of me today and gorgeous weather. :wink2::laugh2:

 

[NunoMt]

If one bought a bike and is considerig an 1k to 2k of an update in terms of Cash, because that's what it will cost a good exaust, power command and a serious bank tunning I think you're in to the wrong bike.

For a bit more you are in the realm of Versys 1000, Tracer 900, or my favorite, The Triumph Tiger Sport.

There have always been people looking for the Holy Graal on their bikes... But I've neve seen anyone achieve it.

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[weljo2001]

let's change that statement a bit, let's change it instead from "modify it for more power" to maybe "modify it for more safety" or "modify it for more comfort" ... still feel the same way? every bike isn't 100% perfect for the person riding it, but if you can get it where you want it, why not? what if I wanted a versys 650 for all that it does, but I don't like the seat... should I find another bike that I like the seat on, but it's not a versys?

Steve

Thats totally different most bikes will need to be tweaked to suit the owner. But as far as power. I raced motocross from elementary all the way through high school. To modify the bike for more power meant that the reliability of the bike took a hit. So for me I'll buy a bike for the power i want then tweak the safety and comfort. Which is why i got the Versy 1000 loved my V-650 but i just needed more motor.

 

[Buffalo_Bob]

Yes!

asking if there is interest[/B] in getting your ECU reflashed, same guy that did the Concours . I hope that clears things up.

 

[Jay_Chicago]

There have always been people looking for the Holy Graal on their bikes... But I've neve seen anyone achieve it.

You can achieve that having 'multiple' bikes -- which is clearly not my case :crying:

 

[Steve in Sunny Fl]

Thats totally different most bikes will need to be tweaked to suit the owner. But as far as power. I raced motocross from elementary all the way through high school. To modify the bike for more power meant that the reliability of the bike took a hit. So for me I'll buy a bike for the power i want then tweak the safety and comfort. Which is why i got the Versy 1000 loved my V-650 but i just needed more motor.

Modification doesn't necessarily mean reduction of reliability. Of course there are limits, and a v650 isn't going to get to v-1000 power without serious modifications, and not normally aspirated. But that's not the point here, we're just looking at optimizing the bike and doing it cost effectively.

Those who think it's going to take 1000.00 to make meaningful changes to how the bike runs just don't know what's available through tuning.

Steve

 

[weljo2001]

Modification doesn't necessarily mean reduction of reliability. Of course there are limits, and a v650 isn't going to get to v-1000 power without serious modifications, and not normally aspirated. But that's not the point here, we're just looking at optimizing the bike and doing it cost effectively.

Those who think it's going to take 1000.00 to make meaningful changes to how the bike runs just don't know what's available through tuning.

Steve

Quit beating around the bush....If you're trying to sell something.. Just Say So.... Phuck Sakes sounds like a door to door Kirby Vacuum Sales Pitch...Hi Got A Gift For Ya......:smile2::smile2:

 

[fasteddiecopeman]

...Those who think it's going to take 1000.00 to make meaningful changes to how the bike runs just don't know what's available through tuning....

So-o-o, Steve: HOW many $ do you think it'll come to?

...sounds like a door to door Kirby Vacuum Sales Pitch...Hi Got A Gift For Ya......:smile2::smile2:

My wife did her research, then got a Kirby. Figures it's the BEST, and well worth the $....