:welcome:

 

Welcome Steve!

 

Thanks Guys. Wonder if there's any Concours owners here? Steve

 

Welcome Steve! I'm from Orlando, FL. Hey, I met another Steve.
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He is actually a COG in Florida...may want to link up with him.

Greg

 

Welcome from former COG member in Austin. Are you still doing miraculous things with the first gen Concours?

 

Welcome Steve. Are you going to improve the Versys, like you did for the Connie?

 

I knew there were some Coggers Here, at least I hoped so! Nice to see y'all, it also helps me know what to expect of the versys owners and culture.

SteveJ.... hmmm.... HA! Steve and I go way back probably 12 years! I met him at a COG ride, and we have ridden many miles together. He IS a consummate motorcyclist in the finest sense, and I've learned much from him over the years. In fact I rode Steves versysLT 2-3 weeks ago, and that's what sealed my fate in being a versys owner. It's a bike that might not cause me to lose my licence, as opposed to my c-14. I think Steve told me about meeting you Greg, won't be long til I do, I'm sure.

I am still doing plenty of work on the c-10;s though Shoodaben went to a new home a year ago (I never thought I would do that) since I was riding the 2nd new to me c-14. I've done some work on it; suspension, pipe and ECU flashing and it's a very impressive bike. 160 hp with the pipe. My license is always in danger when riding the c14!

As far as Versys improvements... well the bike will need to "talk" to me first. I don't do stuff just to "do" it. If / when I find an area I want to improve on, I'll address it then, for now I'm just getting acquainted. I have to be honest, it's nice to be able to ride a bike that lets me relax a bit. Fast enough to keep from being run over, but not begging to break the sound barrier. Light enough to not require work to move it around. High enough to scrape the clouds... HMMM, not sure that one is gonna stay... anyone have a leg stretcher I can borrow? Steve

 

:welcome: aboard!

 

Steve in Sunny Florida, name rings a bell.


Hmm...

 

Quoting me in you sig line here too? You need a better circle of friends :stickpoke: Steve

 

Anyone living in Tampa Florida area that is considering changing to the Power Commander ( Versys 650, 2014 or older) ,but would prefer changing the existing ECU settings please PM me . Also with consideration anyone with a 2015 or newer in Tampa Florida PM me. Also anyone with a MK-3 650 Versys in the area that would want to ride a modified MK-3 for comparison, PM me.

Just asking for now, no further discussion.

:thanx::interesting:

 

over on the east coast but curious if
you can get rid of the versys buzzing
with reflash

 

In Reference to a new Flash for Existing OEM ECU / MK -2 or MK-1

Just a further explanation, without explaining further that someone is close to having a new flash available and needs a guinea pig > that owns a MK-1 or MK-2 ( with original ECU ) in Tampa Florida , PM me if interested. More to come later.

 

Would you be interested in a wider powerband and more power for your v650? What if it came with increased fuel economy? Would you actually be willing to spend some of your hard earned money for that?

 

I started another thread under similar questions, fuel mileage is good on the 650 ABS 2015, however the response below 4500 RPM , in my case 4000 RPM, is not of use , my 07 I had no trouble running down to 2500 RPM in 4th gear, can't do it on the 2015. If there is a fuel mileage gain that would be icing on the cake. Many have gone with the booster plug, we all know what that does, very similar with tweeking the TPS sensor on the Mk-1 & MK-2.

Thread combined as of Aug.3

:feedback:

 

More usable power with increased fuel economy sounds wonderful, but I find that with most power modifications, my desire to try the power increase out leads to worse fuel economy. I guess the best fuel economy mod would be to limit my use of the throttle.


Actually I am very satisfied with the power and economy of my Gen 1.

Randy

 

I agree as to power, however if you jumped on a 2015, you would be in for a big disappointment in the 2500 to 4000 RPM range. I know, I had a 2007 and 16 tooth front sprocket, I now have a 2015 with the OEM 15 tooth. On the 07 I was able to take off in second gear with a passenger and run in the 3000 RPM range in 4th gear and accelerate smoothly , I would never try that with the 2015 . In the 3000 RPM range it is just rough period! It shines @ or above 4500 RPM.

 

Yes.

Frankly after riding the Tracer 900GT, what I'm really after is a smooth delivery of power. The Gen 3 is powerful enough for me, I would just like to get rid of the on/off fuel injection delivery that Yamaha was finally able to rid their FZ's of. Been looking at the booster plug now seriously.

 

Add $1000 bucks in an aftermarket exhaust and power commander and all of those complaints go away. Gas mileage goes up with the exhaust then back down with the power commander. Overall I am down .5 miles per gallon(plus the investment). Up a great exhaust note, many grins and can trek down to 2.5k rpms no worries. Power ALL the way up.

 

What This Thread Is About



Without letting the cat out of the bag, that is what this thread and my link are about, since nobody PM me in Thread combined Aug.3 , Steve started this thread. For some older members this was discussed here https://www.kawasakiversys.com/foru...tions-performance-v-650/88345-pc-v-auto-tune.html?highlight=steve+sunny+florida check the very last post. And yes there was also discussion about some members running a PCV with Autotune in their MK-1 and MK-3 successfully , not disputing that, this is about using your OEM ECU and reflashing with tested settings that make a marked improvement similar to the Concours.

 

Nah. The performance improvement I'd like should be on suspension, a 19" front wheel and a real solid bashplate.

 

Just so folks understand, you cannot begin to compare a PCV to flashing. Not even close.

ETA - Power commander can really only adjust fueling on the tPS based fuel map. there is another map that's controlled by intake pressure that a power commander will only screw up. plus flashing allows changes to secondary throttle settings, timing, limiters and a host of other parameters. This is an important distiction, in that the results are vastly different also. Steve

 

Color me interested!

 

I agree as to power, however if you jumped on a 2015, you would be in for a big disappointment in the 2500 to 4000 RPM range. I know, I had a 2007 and 16 tooth front sprocket, I now have a 2015 with the OEM 15 tooth. On the 07 I was able to take off in second gear with a passenger and run in the 3000 RPM range in 4th gear and accelerate smoothly , I would never try that with the 2015 . In the 3000 RPM range it is just rough period! It shines @ or above 4500 RPM.

i'm personally satisfied with the power vs gas mileage on my 2008. i have a 44t rear sprocket and have plenty of low end grunt, and 1st gear is actually useful. can easily start off in 2nd gear as well. i took note of onewizard's comment re his 2015 lack of low end pull. any easy explanation?

 

Like I said in Post #4, been riding a V for 10 years, regrets getting a 2015 ? About equal now, however improving the low RPM response / stability I stated in post #4 would be a big plus:thumb::thumb::thumb:

If you bought a bike but feel the need to modify it for more power.....Then you bought the wrong bike in the first place...

I know this isn't in reference to my previous post but it fits, if the 650 ABS wasn't sufficient HP for me I would never have sold my 07 Versys, however several people suggested I would be surprised with the MK-3 improvements over the 07 ( no doubt in my mind ), fortunately I can work around the low RPM poor response , overall it does everything I want of a bike, the best being the twisties . So to be clear, if I could get a reflash of my ECU to give me that response / stability in the 2500 to 4500 RPM range I would have a even bigger :grin2:




Below 4500 RPM , better /smoother response which was the title of post #2, really describes this thread, and it isn't a debate, it is more of asking if there is interest in getting your ECU reflashed, same guy that did the Concours . I hope that clears things up.

This is something that Kawasaki could have done but chose for whatever reasons not to ( could be emissions, fuel mileage, any number of things)

 

If you bought a bike but feel the need to modify it for more power.....Then you bought the wrong bike in the first place...

 

let's change that statement a bit, let's change it instead from "modify it for more power" to maybe "modify it for more safety" or "modify it for more comfort" ... still feel the same way? every bike isn't 100% perfect for the person riding it, but if you can get it where you want it, why not? what if I wanted a versys 650 for all that it does, but I don't like the seat... should I find another bike that I like the seat on, but it's not a versys?

Steve

 

Woa a bit confused by the posts here. Blame it on a few too many wasted brain cells in lieu of having a good time.

The power commander (greatly) helped mitigate the fueling issues of the mk-3 versys exasperated by an aftermarket exhaust. It is now better than stock and seems to be a happy motor down to 2.5k rpms.

These mods DID put a little more grunt to the V. That being said, in no way did the mods turned it into a liter bike. It did however lighten the bike up, give it a bit more power, a great exhaust note, and totally fixed the touchy throttle.

I’m not an expert in ECUs and re-flashing, but for the extra money I have the bike that I was looking for. To each their own, but these mods make me want to ride the V even more than I already did. 14k miles in 2.5 years, and not letting up. Spend money on the mods that make you want to ride more, just my $0.02.

 

Changed title


Changed title I started the original thread

This isn't a debate, each person is entitled to their opinion

Misleading title. For me more performance isn't about HP. It is about being able to handle the curves. HP isn't going to make the bike faster and safer through the curves. Suspension and brakes are the performance mods I would be looking for.

Changed title I started the original thread
This isn't a debate, each person is entitled to their opinion

If one bought a bike and is considerig an 1k to 2k of an update in terms of Cash, because that's what it will cost a good exaust, power command and a serious bank tunning I think you're in to the wrong bike.

For a bit more you are in the realm of Versys 1000, Tracer 900, or my favorite, The Triumph Tiger Sport.

There have always been people looking for the Holy Graal on their bikes... But I've neve seen anyone achieve it.

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Changed title I started the original thread

This isn't a debate, each person is entitled to their opinion

I see your point, but the main driver for the mods was not to turn the 650 into a liter bike. If I had a liter bike, I would also spend the $1000 bucks on that to give it a louder exhaust note and a better fuel map.

Changed title I started the original thread

We joined this forum mainly because of the Versys ( original was 650, the the 1000, now the 300), we try and share knowledge, if you wish to debate ECU reflash why not start a new thread, Pro and cons Reflash/ Power Commander alternative, FYI this isn't that thread!!

This isn't a debate, each person is entitled to their opinion, any further comments debating whether this is $$$$ , feasible, stupid or as a owner of a Versys 650 that should have purchased a V1000, now that the title is changed, I expect no more negative comments or debates on this.
5 minutes after posting, someone else decided to give a opinion



So if there are any owners of a MK-3 650 Versys around Tampa Florida and wish to compare the ride of stock, PM Steve.

:closed:

 

Misleading title. For me more performance isn't about HP. It is about being able to handle the curves. HP isn't going to make the bike faster and safer through the curves. Suspension and brakes are the performance mods I would be looking for.

 

There's different kinds of performance. I wouldn't say the title is misleading, it's just not the performance YOU are looking for. And BTW, I agree with you on suspension, it really does help bring out a bike's capabilies, but so does squaring away engine performance.

BTW, I saw a post where you said you grew up in Methuen. Did we ever discuss that? I did too, in Lawrence then Methuen, just down from the water tower.

And don't we know each other from the concours world?

Steve

 

While you guys keep the debate going and your bikes in your garage doing all those mods, excuse me I have 300 miles in front of me today and gorgeous weather. :wink2::laugh2:

 

If one bought a bike and is considerig an 1k to 2k of an update in terms of Cash, because that's what it will cost a good exaust, power command and a serious bank tunning I think you're in to the wrong bike.

For a bit more you are in the realm of Versys 1000, Tracer 900, or my favorite, The Triumph Tiger Sport.

There have always been people looking for the Holy Graal on their bikes... But I've neve seen anyone achieve it.

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There have always been people looking for the Holy Graal on their bikes... But I've neve seen anyone achieve it.

You can achieve that having 'multiple' bikes -- which is clearly not my case :crying:

 

Yes!

asking if there is interest[/B] in getting your ECU reflashed, same guy that did the Concours . I hope that clears things up.