Probably one of the last rides this year. Bad weather is coming, so I took advantage of today’s cloudy and cold day and dry road for a 100km long ride.
Very true.i sold and shipped an entire OEM Versys suspension to a rider in India. he wanted to do the suspension swap on his EX650, then complete the bike setup for riding the remote Indian mountain roads. he reported that the bike was now an exceptional purpose built travel moto. riders of all stripes can have very different impressions, expectations, and requirements of the same basic bike platform.
good that it worked out for you. why did you put those washers just on the one side and not on two sides, so the shock sits evenly? I personally replaced the shock on g310gs with: https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/bmw-g310gs-g310r/G310gs-Tractive-shock;Fitted the BMW 310 GS rear strut to the bike on Saturday.
Reasonably simple job. Punched out the top and bottom needle bearings on the stock and punched them into the new one.
The mounting eyelet of the new one is slightly narrower than the stock so added three thin washers to bridge the gap.
The tech who worked on the bike had earlier worked with BMW Motorrad in Pune; when he sat on the bike after the job was done, a big loopy, dopey smile spread slowly across his face and he said," sir, this feels just like a GS. So much more comfy than the stock. I'll recommend this mod to all my Versys 650 clients" and so on.
Increased the preload by 5 clicks and took it out for a spin on some poorly repaired stretches of road. Wow. My back, neck and knee were thanking me and reassuring me that now, they would be fine with the ride plan to Tawang, Anini and Kibithoo.
Good thing I didn't take the old R1 strut. The brand new GS one is as good and readily available for a lesser price.
This Sunday, Ill be riding a bit hardcore off road and will update the experience here.
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The stock strut removed.
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The new strut installed in the correct direction as on the original bike. No need of cutting any fairing plastic etc.y
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Excellent question about the washers and one that I was pondering over too while on the job.good that it worked out for you. why did you put those washers just on the one side and not on two sides, so the shock sits evenly? I personally replaced the shock on g310gs with: https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/bmw-g310gs-g310r/G310gs-Tractive-shock;
it is much more stable. I do like soft shocks, but if too soft, they are not good at cornering and stuff. I fitted bmw shock on hero honda xpulse 200 and it works very nice as it is a very light bike. not so sure about Versys 650... but if you are happy, this all what matters.
just to add, the g310gs shock was bottoming out on the lower setting with x-pulse. so you might want to watch out for it. like going through some potholes or indentations on the road. and if it does, increase the preload to the maximum. V650 is much more heavy that x-pulse, but the angle of the shock is different too, so I am not sure what will be the result.
and I am curious, how does it work with the side stand? does it feel like the bike is too high for the kickstand before you actually sit on it?
since I live in India most of the year, and I have 5 bikes there; now, it is a lockdown to the next century so I cannot go there, but I just want to say that x-pulse is my favourite bike. more than tiger 800. g310gs is lovely too. but I live in Himalayas, rarely riding on straight roads.
I wonder, does it make a difference which side you fit the shock, top up or down? as long as you have an access to the spring preload, which in case of V650 you would have access from both sides...Excellent question about the washers and one that I was pondering over too while on the job.
What happened was this:
The width and thickness of the washers available was such that four were too many, two were too less and three were perfect.
Next came the OD of the oil seals on the lower eyelet needle bearing AND the OD of the available washers. Only one washer was of the desired OD such that it would overlap the OD of the oil seal at one end by about 1 mm or so. The other end would not have a washer face covering the oil seal, leaving it vulnerable to ingestion of dust. And another compatible washer was not available.
So, after much discussion and nodding of heads up and own and sideways, we decided to place the washers at one end, to cover the oil seal at that end with the washer and take the shelter of the mounting flange to cover the oil seal at the other end.
In fact, with this placement, the strut is now perfectly normal to the swing arm mount. Had the washers been placed at both ends, the strut would have been at a slight angle to the normal.
Preload I have increased it to six clicks, tested it with my normal 15 kg sand-filled saddle bags as ballast, taken it on bad roads and no bottoming out.
Side stand stance As it were, the V650 had a slightly butt in the air stance. With this strut preloaded to six clicks, it is even more pronounced, a bit like those models flaunting their, well, "assets" in Instagram photos. But that is temporary, as you know; when you sit on the bike, the dynamic sag is good enough for all except really hardcore motocross style terrain.
I am echoing the sentiment that the R1 strut mod is the one best that one can do on the V650. I can literally FEEL the "give" of the rear strut up and down as it does the job assigned to it, almost like the auto lay mechanism on the Abrams/Leopard/Challenger.
Which once again makes me wonder as to how is it that my other V650 rider friends don't feel the stock strut as too hard...perhaps, being brought up on a diet of sports bikes makes one think that a hard rear is the correct one.
Direction of fitment I was told by the mech who did the job, that it is best to fit it in the original format. Fitting it upside down may cause some issues with interference with the role of gravity on the inner fluid. Also, with the original direction maintained, the preload collar is much more accessible compared to fitting it upside down. And the icing on the cake was that no plastic fairing parts were needed to be trimmed to accommodate the upper end.I wonder, does it make a difference which side you fit the shock, top up or down? as long as you have an access to the spring preload, which in case of V650 you would have access from both sides...
anyway, it is an interesting experiment. where did you get the bmw rear shock in India, and how much is the cost? as i mentioned, I replaced the shock in my g310gs and fitted it with some modifications to x-pulse. with x-pulse, a very light bike, I needed to put minimum two clicks preload to avoid bottoming out. but then again, i am not exactly a light weight
so did you keep the needle bearings (they are on top) or took them out? I just took all out and replaced both eyelet bushings with new ones, from the local hardware shop. one, I had to shave off a bit, and the second required some washers.
as to your comment about the stiffness of the OEM rear shock, it is actually very soft, for an average weight that is. the problem is that it has too little damping, which made me change it to YSS. i felt like i am about to get catapulted up into the air when going through some deep indentations on the road...
Nice, I’ll give that a shot next time we ride.When MY kids were little I always had them ride in front of me, so my arms surrounded them. I also made a piece of seat-belt webbing into two 'stirrups' by looping the ends (at the appropriate length) so that they could support themselves by "standing", supported in their stirrups. I also carried a long scarf - my son was starting to fall asleep (my ARMS were around him!!!) so I stopped and tied the scarf around BOTH of us (below HIS arms), then continued the ride, NOW not concerned he'd go to sleep and fall off. The kids were taught that THEY would hold onto MY arms around my wrists, and OF COURSE - ATTGAT!