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So a little explanation here. I have witnessed while driving a car , a motorcycle going down the 401 highway, not a care in the world, beautiful sunny day, apparently he is turning right at any moment, at least he was 5 KM ago and apparently is just looking for that exit. Well I have had it happen, coming over a rise in the road, hitting 8k , up-shifting like crazy , need to boot it home, just turned right onto the road, not paying attention as my tank bag kind of hides the signal light blinker on the dash. I see a guy to my right stopped at a stop sign, getting concerned cause I am just 15 over the speed limit and it appears he is going to pull out. Fortunately he realizes at the speed I am going, no way could I make the right turn my signal light is telling him, yes just then I realize , OH S**T , and cancel the signal light. So I have had this sonic sensor for at least 25 years and at least 5 or 6 bikes ago, each time, yup going to install it. So last week I did that but realized I need a complicated circuit , as I don't want to hear beep beep beep beep for 3 or 6 minutes while I am waiting for the light to change. I have a very special and a very cheap programmable timer coming from China. I am looking at a 3 minute delay on operate. Since the signal is intermittent , the timer needs to acknowledge this intermittent time , yet use the actual time elapsed at a set point , in this case of 3 minutes. So I stuck it in, put some wire on it, and left it.
Today while walking the dog, I had cleared my brain, and it hit me, 90% of the time, my signal light is on while I am stopped, waiting at a stop sign or stop light. So I now have my sonic alarm active, with provisions to add the timer when it gets here.

So a number of things. I have a rework solder station, I still do some personal rework on control boards. Since I am retired, my electronic suppliers are no longer accessible, has to me as a private citizen . That became apparent in 2019 when a local large electronics supplier had a notice when I got to check out, minimum order $100 plus shipping. NFW. So I have a list of electronic suppliers that sell to individuals and ship to Canada. I ordered something like 13 Omron PCB relays , all special configuration, with shipping to my door, something like $56 . I got it in like 5 days. There are other suppliers like Sayal or Princess auto , but when it comes to basic electronic parts Diggi-Key is excellent, also a few others.

So if there is interest I will add this to How To and add more info. For now here it is.


Round thing to the left of the TPM-- Sonic Alarm


This relay came with my Denali light kit, it was SPST but only wired using the normally open contact #30 & 87 , I removed the connector and wiring and made my own harness, that is a socket and relay , originally I was going to use one of the 13 PCB relays I removed from my Haier PCB , unfortunately they were SP ST and DPST, no NC . So I am using #30 & 87A of that relay. The sonic alarm will sound for the same amount of time that the signal light is on, since the current is something like 0.0125 amp at 14 volts, that is nothing.


I have a mistake I have BR as in bridge rectifier , but I also have BR as brake relay. So the brake relay has contact # 30 & 87A and coil circuit 85 & 86


Note also that many times mass produced items are cheaper than less used devices. Rectifier diodes are generally available in 1 and 2 amp ratings. I have a multitude of 25 and 30 amp bridge rectifiers . I designed a special ground fault device for large carbon arc Miller gouging welders, that are no longer made, they put out 2000 amp continuous. The issue was these were mounted remote, a common occurrence was having the work electrode which was attached to a steel plate, come in contact with the steel building structure, so someone bringing a casting on a crane, well it was arc time, many times the 1 inch steel airline had a hole blown in it, the 200 HP compressors couldn't keep up and of course the shut off valve needed a lift or extension ladder to reach. So I have some left over parts .Those bridge rectifiers can have a standard spade female terminal attached , no soldering required.
 

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Alert To Turn Signal Still On

Is it Auto Cancellation or just sonic sound to alter rider.
For now it is a alert, only if no brake is applied, and turn signals on

This is a mistake that happens to me at the wrong time once in a while and scares the hell out of me. Intersections are where most accidents occur and on a bike the ante is upped. Personally I wonder if I need the delay, straight on lower level sonic with turn signal would work. I dont wear earplugs though..
Yes, for me to leave the city, I have about 4 ways to the 401, a additional 4 options to leave by way of city streets and single lane highways, an last about 4 ways of using our expressway. So the majority of roads out, are multi-lane, . Our expressway was a afterthought, many on ramps are also off ramps, that is we cross each others path. Some days I am crossing 4 lanes to get clear of the off ramp, multiple lane changes and that requires signalling , all the time expecting someone to pull in front and slam on the brakes because they thought passing me would get them one car length further in the off ramp, even though I am by now in one of the through lanes, so cancelling my left lane change signal isn't top priority.
Pushing the cancel button is almost automatic, however I have been on country roads, had someone cut me off , simply because the distance was deceiving to them, depth perception ( crossing the highway from a stop, they thought they had lots of time). Last year I had possibly two times my signal was on while driving on a singe lane highway, bright sunny day, ambulance with lights and siren, in a group of cars, not everyone watches their rear view mirror, this case I signaled for a right, got off as far right as possible, I am doing 80 KM/HR , where I was, was a gravel shoulder , so I needed to slow down, in my case that was sufficient room to have the ambulance get by. The very next thing is to observe what the cars in front and behind are doing, we are all getting onto the road, this was a unplanned signal lane change per say. I probably went 2 KM with my signal on in bright sunshine, until the car behind beeped his horn and hit his emergency flashers, within 10 seconds my brain goes, oh S**T , look down , yup turn signal on, cancelled it and gave the car driver a Big thumbs up

So we have super cops in the city, guys are too busy to come out to the neighborhood when multiple car break in's occur, even with video. They say maybe they catch the guy and then have evidence, well my neighbors took things into their own hands, caught a guy with a distinct bicycle, 3 days later he was caught again, two neighbors chased this guy , shook him up a bit. The cops told the guys they shouldn't have done that. My point is, we have police watching you come to a stop, ready to write a ticket for failing to stop or failing to signal a lane change.
Once the timer gets here, I intend to incorporate it so that my backup alarm only sounds if my signal is on longer than 3 minutes without using either front or rear brake, the brake will reset the timer.
For those areas where we have several left hand turn lanes, I intend to try and wait without using my brakes, to alert the person beside me in a car that I am also turning, stay out of my lane. Yes I have had people cut in front of me during a turn, no place to go because of a concrete median.

I hope that explains it, so far I have spent$00.00 on this project. To buy the stuff, here is a example https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/pui-audio-inc/AI-4429-P-C12-2-R/668-1568-ND/6192572 . If I was to buy everything new, about $40.
 

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I remember a couple of years in the 1970s when a lot of bikes had turn signal beepers. They were so annoying (particularly when at a standstill) a lot of them got disconnected by the owners. My old Radian had a great factory system that used speed and time to determine when to auto-cancel the signal. Every bike should have Yamaha's self-cancelling turn signals, and Kawasaki's neutral-finder. :^)
Yes that would drive me crazy, so like I said, walking the dog it hit me, with either brake applied, absolute silence, trust me, if I found someone waiting in a off ramp for the light to change and a 105 DB alarm was going off, I would expect something like road rage to occur. I just want to know that hey, wake up, wipe that smile off your face, OK , you deserve to have :grin2::grin2:with that new flash, but seriously are you going to turn right or did you forget to cancelthat turn signal.
To reiterate, we have roundabouts everywhere here now, we have those special people that are in a bigger hurray than everyone else , that left on turn signal is their excuse, trust me, with ATGATT , I will still end up the worse for wear tangling with a car.
Got to go, silicone is cured and I ain't taking the gas tank off again, going to follow my fiber optic cable with a single 18 gauge purple wire and tie into the gear brake wiring.
 
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100% Great idea

Smart Turn System


I've used it for all of my 2019 riding season and really like the results. :laugh2:
Yes I saw that, since I have the ability to build my own, not as foolproof as the smart turn system but, the next best thing, I have the knowledge and materials already on hand. I chose to buy the timer as it is fairly sophisticated for $8. The programming will need to be worked out, as my language and that of the seller don't match.
Found the original post and commented.
 

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So a update, I removed the sonic alarm and installed a yellow LED light , full output at 14.2 VDC was 70 milliamp, I cut it down to 10 milliamp. The delay alarm is eliminated and as long as my brake is engaged the light is inactive , bright enough I can see it in bright sun but not blinding. I may at some time post a photo.
 

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As of July 1/ 2020 I am taking a break from the forum, thanks to all that asked questions and posted. If you read this, use Filters in the How To Or Technical click lower left last message and click Titles , alphabetical !
 

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Discussion Starter · #12 · (Edited)
Update on alarm, changed to visual LED, with a cheap fix as to brilliance using a load resistor to drop voltage.I removed the sonic alrm and installed a yellow LED trailer light , dimmed using a rsistor as we are talking something like 0.10 amp originally





Updated August 2021 with two-level LED light, low for night time, the switch is waterproof grey boot to the lower left, barely visible.;




High for Daytime--switch is NO ( Normally Open ) across the voltage drop resistor for nighttime use. Closed for Daytime as below photo
 
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That sounds like a ride I could easily do. No 400 series hwy and within the 900 KM round trip I am able to do in a day.
 

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From my research, I would think that Signal Minder is a better option than smart turn system. the reason being is that it has more functions, like you can run turn signals as running lights, etc. But above all, it is plug and play. When I saw a youtube on STS installation, it turned me off, so much splicing. The SM simply plugs into relay. I am considering getting it, but need to make sure to get the right model. Not sure if it is SM-3 or 4. I see the one for my Versys showing 3 pins, and the new Versys has 2 pins. SM-4
Could you provide a link or details about two pins for V1000 or V650?? My 2015 uses 3 wires from the signal switch. I would love to see the wiring drawing as they claim it plugs into the flasher?? Our bike is not Canbuss unless 2019 is changed.
 

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Update on alarm, changed to visual LED, with a cheap fix as to brilliance using a load resistor to drop voltage.I removed the sonic alrm and installed a yellow LED trailer light , dimmed using a rsistor as we are talking something like 0.10 amp originally
I will be doing a change later this year, dual light level. Set for daytime use, by using a miniature waterproof switch. All I need to do is find it. Presently the LED is at about 20% brilliance. The switch will short out my simple voltage drop resistors.
 

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Extremely simple if you want 1 bright indicator. More history, for me, cancelling is a automatic reflex making turns from a stop, complete the turn-- upshift-- cancel the signal light.

Where things go wrong is on major highways or cases of needing to do unplanned lane changes / maneuvers .

Several cases of needing to do sudden braking because a leading vehicle failed to signal or was lost- or just a bad driver, in those cases, my lane change may need to be cancelled because during the braking my previous plan was no longer viable. I may have been in a 2 lane road that narrowed to 1 lane. Having the right signal left on is ripe for a accident.

Someone up ahead, at a intersection stop sign, may assume you are turning in, and they may pull out in front of you.

Cars and motorcycles just don't get along together . If you survive you will be partially at fault, at least in Ontario that is how they viewed it.The guy at the stop was already stoped so 75% at fault, the motorcycle 25% because he failed to cancel his signal, almost as bad as turning and not signalling.

So if someone wants I can draw the wiring and how to do it. Use two 2 amp diodes , one off each signal light. That is the positive feed to your indicator light and frame ground or signal ground for negative. I don't like it flashing at me while braking. So again very simple, I have a mini relay connected to my brake light wire, which is in the harness from the front brake. I use the normally closed contact in series with my auxiliary LED signal light. Done and Done.

I also have a very complicated timer / relay miniature PLC from China , built by a engineer $12 , english isn't his first language. I started into it while having the sonic sensor installed. At some point I felt the KISS rule took precedence , and saved the module for something else. It sits on my work bench, no instructions and if I can't find the guy it may be $12 down the drain.
 

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Maybe for the Canajans.... There is a lightly used one here, which I can part with..... not giving it away, but make me a reasonable offer.
Post in classifieds?
 

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are you sure about that? if I remember correctly, both 650 and 1000 use the same 2 pin plug. this is the plug that I have removed. View attachment 183527
The STS system gets cut into the 3 wires coming from the handlebar. What you have in the picture is the flasher relay. I have one just like that from my 2015 in my removed parts bin. Since I have gone 100% LED I have a 3 wire flasher which is a electronic adjustable timer.
 

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you have a flasher relay with 3 pins connected to STS? I did install LED turn signals and still use 2 pin relay.
Sorry, my post is confusing, I have a LED light added that flashes when my signal light is on, my tank bag obscures my dash indicator. I added a 3 wire flasher that has an adjustable flash rate and isn't dependent on the current through it to control the flash rate. I do not have STS or any other form of auto signal cancelling, Much like my alert system in my car that tells me I have a rapidly approaching car or truck in my mirror blind spot, I don't solely depend on it for making lane changes, a good example is it didn't recognise a motorcycle. I look before lane changes on my motorcycle and I turn my signal light off 95% of the time, so I am now adding a daytime switch. I will post the photo when complete. My opinion of the STS is superior as there is a much longer time limit. The downside is you are hacking into the harness, reversing is easy provided you consider removing the gas tank is part of the reversal process.
 

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My Signal light awareness indicator two-level LED completed August 2021


Updated August 2021 with two-level LED light, low for night time, the switch is waterproof grey boot to the lower left, barely visible.;


High for Daytime--switch is NO ( Normally Open ) across the voltage drop resistor for nighttime use. Closed for Daytime as below photo
 
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