Right now "Motorcyclegear" has clearance pricing on TOURMASTER VENTURE riding pants. I believe I have TWO pair of them (one pair in AZ, another in BC) of those, PLUS another two pair of the TOURMASTER VENTURE mesh riding pants. I'm pretty sure I paid MORE for them, than these on clearance. They have zippers nearly all the way up on the outside of the legs, and are "waterproof" as well as armored. GOOD gear IMHO.