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I've had my 650 V since 2007. Love it, but want something with a little more power, while maintaining the same upright riding position, street oriented, low speed ease as the Versys 650.

I thought initially the Ninja 1000, but the riding position is to forward, and it can only take panniers or a topcase, not all three.

Now I'm looking close at the V1000 and Tiger 1050se. I won't consider the Vstrom 1000, as I don't want a 19" front.

Can anyone share their experiences good and bad with the above bikes, and how they would pick as I am on the fence right now. Also....Before anyone says Multistrada...can't afford it.
 

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Not to discount what you are saying, but why do you not want a 19 in front? I bought a used Tiger 955 not long ago to use while I was away from my V for a few months, and thought that a 19 would be less stable, harder to turn, and a bunch more preconceptions. However, I felt little to no difference where the wheels are concerned, however, the bike as a whole felt less stable due to the amount of weight up top with the additional fuel. I would recommend that bike to you if you are not opposed to go used. It had more than enough power, but not so much more than the V that it would be a huge jump to become accustomed to.
 

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I had my eye on the Tiger 1050 but without surgical leg extensions it's just too tall for me. I've ridden the Sprint ST with the same motor. There's something about a triple.
 

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As long as you're just going street oriented I'd go ahead and consider a Kawasaki Concours 14 too. My brother & my father-in-law both have 08s that ride very smooth. Still has an upright riding position, has the ability to carry three cases easy, and is very rear passenger friendly.
 

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Not to discount what you are saying, but why do you not want a 19 in front? I bought a used Tiger 955 not long ago to use while I was away from my V for a few months, and thought that a 19 would be less stable, harder to turn, and a bunch more preconceptions. However, I felt little to no difference where the wheels are concerned, however, the bike as a whole felt less stable due to the amount of weight up top with the additional fuel. I would recommend that bike to you if you are not opposed to go used. It had more than enough power, but not so much more than the V that it would be a huge jump to become accustomed to.

I think there is a world of difference in handling between a 19" & 17" tire. I've owned both a 650 Vstom with a 19" front wheel at the same time I have owned the Versys with the 17" front wheel. In comparison, the Vstrom had to be slowed way down to even negotiate the turns the Versys can handle at a considerable speed.

I've been riding for 50 years so that's not an amateur's statement.
 

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I think there is a world of difference in handling between a 19" & 17" tire. I've owned both a 650 Vstom with a 19" front wheel at the same time I have owned the Versys with the 17" front wheel. In comparison, the Vstrom had to be slowed way down to even negotiate the turns the Versys can handle at a considerable speed.

I've been riding for 50 years so that's not an amateur's statement.
Well you obviously have a lot more experience than me in total riding years. However, I was speaking of MY experience, and MY preconceptions. Is there WORLD of difference, I doubt it. Maybe between a 21 and a 17. Of course a 17 is going to be able to take twisties better at the envelope, but for 90 percent of the riding in the United States, there would be little difference. The OP was looking for "low speed ease" so I doubt he would be pushing it to the point to to absolutely NEED a 17. I speak from experience of riding on two continents, and 10 different countries.
 

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I moved from a Versys to a Tiger1050 more than 2 years ago and can only tell you that there is nothing entering the market that would tempt me away. It just has so much character and grunt, so unless your decision is based on needing the latest model to hit the streets, this is probably an excellent time to pick up a really clean, low mileage Tiger1050. You won't be sorry.
 

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To summarize...

If you like shaft drive and want BMW "character" and "image" and have deep pockets, get the GS.

If you want a bike that is faster, more comfortable, better 2-up and offers better value for money, get the Versys 1000.

If you like handling and want more of a sport bike feel in your adventure bike, get the Tiger.

Or wait for the Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200...I'd be waiting.
 

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Well you obviously have a lot more experience than me in total riding years. However, I was speaking of MY experience, and MY preconceptions. Is there WORLD of difference, I doubt it. Maybe between a 21 and a 17. Of course a 17 is going to be able to take twisties better at the envelope, but for 90 percent of the riding in the United States, there would be little difference. The OP was looking for "low speed ease" so I doubt he would be pushing it to the point to to absolutely NEED a 17. I speak from experience of riding on two continents, and 10 different countries.
My apologies sir as you are correct about it being "your" experience and I was speaking from "my" experience. No offense intended.
 

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I'd go for a Tiger 1050. Used they're about half the price of a new Versys 1000.

You're riding a Versys 650 because you want value for money, right? :)
 

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To summarize...

If you like shaft drive and want BMW "character" and "image" and have deep pockets, get the GS.

If you want a bike that is faster, more comfortable, better 2-up and offers better value for money, get the Versys 1000.

If you like handling and want more of a sport bike feel in your adventure bike, get the Tiger.

Or wait for the Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200...I'd be waiting.
Bones has summed this up well, but essentially the Tiger 1200 will be a direct GS competitor, a heavy tourer with off road pretenses. A Tiger 1050 has totally different appeal, lighter, definitely more road biased and far closer to a sports tourer than an adventure bike. It is lighter and more nimble than a Versys 1000, so almost a more natural step up from a 650 Versys. You need to ride them to know, and test riding a few bikes before making a decision is half the fun. Enjoy!:thumb:
 

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Bones has summed this up well, but essentially the Tiger 1200 will be a direct GS competitor, a heavy tourer with off road pretenses. A Tiger 1050 has totally different appeal, lighter, definitely more road biased and far closer to a sports tourer than an adventure bike. It is lighter and more nimble than a Versys 1000, so almost a more natural step up from a 650 Versys. You need to ride them to know, and test riding a few bikes before making a decision is half the fun. Enjoy!:thumb:

You get my thinking here. Thanks for all the great discussion. I have zero off road interest, the Tiger 1200 is 3k extra for features I don't want or need. I've ridden the GS, and don't like the motor at all. They say character, to me it felt like a tractor, when I want a racier experience.

Has anyone had any negative experiences with the Tiger? The V1000 looks to be a great contender in that its got better luggage, traction control, and better bottom end. However it feels heavier, doesn't look as sharp, and will be several years to catch up to the Tiger's level of aftermarket support.
 
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