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I'm not familiar with any empirical evidence that loud pipes save lives as some are fond of saying, but I can say with reasonable confidence that loud pipes do irritate people - non-cyclists in particular - and don't do the greater motorcycling fraternity very much good.

My Versys had an aftermarket (loud) exhaust installed when I bought it. It sounded very boy racer-like but soon became really irritating, especially on anything other than a short ride. Fortunately the bike also came with the stock exhaust. I re-installed it and became much happier. Quiet is a good thing when it comes to hearing what's being said in my helmet speakers and what's going on around me (like Woots said).

As far as weight saving and the ever-popular supposed increased horsepower/performance, I would be better off (and healthier) if I lost the weight difference between the stock exhaust and the average aftermarket muffler rather than spending a boatload of my favorite currency on noise. And, short of a series of dyno sessions that accurately record before and after performance data, seat of the pants "evaluations" are probably too subjective to serve as meaningful testimonials. If I had spent a boatload on a Yoshi, of Two Bros, or any other costly exhaust can, I'd be likely to attest that the result was a noticeable performance boost, rather than merely noise.

Having said all that, I'm officially a geezer and no longer crave the loud go-fast things that I did in my youth. Well, that's certainly more than two cents worth. Am I capable of a short answer? Naaah. :grin2:
 

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If after market pipes increased the efficiency and mpg I might consider, but I think they are more cosmetic and show. I'd rather be able to hear my music through my helmet and not piss the general public off and bring unnecessary attention.
 

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I was once involved in running my local M/X club and the properties we lost because of neighbours complaints was never ending.
Think of the racetracks you know that were once remote and then became surrounded by residents who then complained about the noise.

A factory where I once worked ran shifts to 1.30 am. Twenty years after the factory opened a new neighbour built his home over the back fence. Five years later he took the company to Court in an attempt to shut it down.

And why do Harley riders particularly feel the need to intrude on other citizens? I'd compare noisy bike owners to graffiti artists. Sorry if anyone is offended.
 

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Don't even get me started. I just got back from a first great 2000 mile trip on my Versys 650LT. A friend invited me along. He also had another friend along whom I'd never met. That friend rode a Harley. My friend was on a Nomad. His friend rode in the rear for a reason!

After all the Gold Wings and all the ST's I've ridden, I just can't stand the noise. And it has never been proven that 'loud pipes saves lives'. It's a Harley myth. :)
 

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I've had loud pipes on on a Harley and also my Yamaha FJR1300. Good sounding, not necessarily loud, pipes do sound great. However I leave for work at 5:15am and I'm sure my neighbors appreciate the quietness of my stock Versys exhaust. Also, after being on the highway for a period of time, loud pipes get annoying real quick. And yeah, I'm half deaf the way it is and wear earplugs with full face helmet. I don't need one more thing to destroy my hearing. Oh man, now I'm starting to sound old...
 

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Sorry to be "that guy" but those you listen to music inside their helmet are distracted.

I'd prefer to hear a loud bike (doesn't have to profiled as a Harley) over a quiet bike with someone who's listening to music in their helmet.

Now let the butt-hurt begin...


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...I'd compare noisy bike owners to graffiti artists. Sorry if anyone is offended.
GREAT comparison!

...Oh man, now I'm starting to sound old...
I'm 74, been riding for 54 of 'em, and except when I was in my 20s, ALL have run stock exhausts except my TT500 - it had a White Bros pipe w/ a Supertrapp - but was raced off-road. That system knocked off about 20 pounds, which is BIG when your bike weighs about 280....
 

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Don't even get me started. I just got back from a first great 2000 mile trip on my Versys 650LT. A friend invited me along. He also had another friend along whom I'd never met. That friend rode a Harley. My friend was on a Nomad. His friend rode in the rear for a reason!

After all the Gold Wings and all the ST's I've ridden, I just can't stand the noise. And it has never been proven that 'loud pipes saves lives'. It's a Harley myth. :)
Many more biker owners than Harley owners put loud pipes on their bikes. Very popular with the sport bike crowd and I've even seen Goldwings with 6 inch pipes on them. My '01 Kawasaki Voyager XII came with cobra pipes and I hated them. I would always end up short shifting.

Anyway, back on subject, when I was in a rental car in California on the interstate I decided that there was some merit to loud pipes. But that is only because of lane splitting and only in California. I could hear a bike even though I didn't know where it was. This kept me holding my lane position. The onus is on the rider to not linger in the blind spot because after a certain amount of time I would assume it is a super loud bike somewhere else on the road.

So other than California and the race track, I see no place for loud bikes, cars, trucks, etc.
 

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In NYC traffic, the stock exhaust on the V650 is too quiet to be heard by vehicles when RPMs are under about 8k. Cars merge into my lane 3-5 times during each leg of my commute (about 23 miles each way). I have a friend with a Yamaha R1 and a Toce exhaust that is well into the "annoying" range, but I've never seen a car merge into his lane. He uses it as a weapon to intimidate and push cars out of the way, which I think hurts motorcyclists in the long run and disagree with. I have no doubt that a slightly louder exhaust would reduce the number of cars that SMIDSY me and would make me safer as a result.
 

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Don't even get me started. I just got back from a first great 2000 mile trip on my Versys 650LT. A friend invited me along. He also had another friend along whom I'd never met. That friend rode a Harley. My friend was on a Nomad. His friend rode in the rear for a reason!

After all the Gold Wings and all the ST's I've ridden, I just can't stand the noise. And it has never been proven that 'loud pipes saves lives'. It's a Harley myth. :)
This has nothing to do with the noise thread but, Granbury, TX??!!

Small world. My sister-in-law and husband's home is in Granbury. Nice town too - I pass through going to my brother's in Flower Mound and returning to San Antonio. They're four miles south of 377 just off 144.
 

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Loud pipes like lifted trucks that never see dirt just scream tiny penis.
 

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Loud pipes are ....loud pipes. Guess I am getting older, but I do ride long distances and enjoy my hearing too much for this foolishness. They do not save lives. Using the he grey matter between your ears saves lives.
 

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I am not a fan of loud pipes. Its even worse if increased sound doesn't mean increased hp. I don't even like wind noise in my helmet. I don't even shoot my firearms as much as I used to because I am aware of the noise in my neighborhood. on the other hand I shoot squirrel with my bow,slingshot, blowgun and crossbow pistol in my trailer park and the the neighbors stop to chat while I am doing it.
 

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When I have been stuck in a traffic jam in a vehicle, and some idiot on a motorcycle comes flying up between the cars, I am amazed at how I do not hear them until the are at my door(even with loud pipes).
I do have a Arrow exhaust on my bike, but it is not very loud. Above 40mph I cant even hear it over the wind anyway.
 
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