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Neither, they are Kappa 33n's someone else on this forum got onto them from motostorm in Italy, so I bought some as well.
 

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Kappa is a different bag and a different market than what Givi is chasing.
It gives Givi an opening to a different customer base and to grow it for future
sales.

Nice bags, great find Maverick!:yeahsmile:
 

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Kappas are the budget version of Givis. Most of their cases, base plates and racks are interchangeable.
 
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