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It's almost like back in the 80's when all of the ads for cars had the posted epa mileage. Only time you see that now is on the sticker.
 

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Makes perfect sense to me. SUVs and Pickups are selling like ice cream in Alaska.

Motorcycles rule on so many levels.
 

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It's almost like back in the 80's when all of the ads for cars had the posted epa mileage. Only time you see that now is on the sticker.
Really? You guys must have it really good in that socialist Utopian country to the north. ;)

Hard working capitalist Americans have been seeing MPG figures on every single ad in my local Sunday newspapers for several months. Even the "The Ultimate Driving Machine" ads prominently display the mileage their cars get now.

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It seems that a lot of people who used to say "Hey, nice bike!" now say "Hey, I bet that thing gets good mileage!".
 

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Really? You guys must have it really good in that socialist Utopian country to the north. ;)

Hard working capitalist Americans have been seeing MPG figures on every single ad in my local Sunday newspapers for several months. Even the "The Ultimate Driving Machine" ads prominently display the mileage their cars get now.

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That's more recently - but you used to see this Fuel pump icon with the epa mileages back then - past few years it's just a by-line. Now, the ad co's are amping up the mileage.

But, you see today such bad spin as stating that an SUV is 'fuel efficient' !

Oh and about that socialist Utopian comment - yip, we got universal health care - what do you have to say about that? :)
 

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88 civic recent rebuild...i miss that car sometimes.....
 

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Recently there have been 5 people, who know I ride all the time, tell me they were considering a motorcycle because of the better mileage. I talked them out of it. For the money and the maintenance schedule, they are better off in a small car. A car gives weather protection, better crash protection, etc.

There are no perfect riders, but from what I've seen, about only 3% of bikers take it serious enough to make the odds much safer. All the rest are taking turns as if nothing should be on the road, then complain how unfair it was when they hit it, want to look cool rather wear the gear, couldn't care less about reading safety books, etc.

Unless a person has a passion for riding, and riding safe, they are better off in a car; let's face it.
 

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You're going to see a LOT more people on bikes in the near future (already seeing tons more people riding bikes this year here in MD). The Ninja 250 is the hottest selling bike right now for a reason, noobs and peeps moving "up" from a scooter. I agree that an economical car is a good move (why not get both?).

I think 3% of riders wearing gear is really low, either that or I hang out with a lot of smart people. Are you talking about kids or the Harley crowd? You should see my dirt riding buddies and I gear up, we look like a bunch of hockey players.

Although, I do wear a T shirt most of the time while riding on the street along with boots and jeans, gloves, and of course a helmet. I wear a riding jacket at night or when its wet, cool or raining. I drive quick, but I look EVERYWHERE and slow down all the time if I have any doubts or if people are in the street. I obey all traffic laws (ah, maybe except the speed limit). I'm hoping they pass a lane splitting law here in MD, seems like the most dangerous part of riding around here is at traffic lights, either you almost get rear ended once in a while or people cut into your lane when the light turns green because they didn't see you. Seems like it will be much safer if you can sneak up to the front of the line and stay ahead of all the cagers when the light turns green.

I did some maths today, it costs me about 1/2 to run my bike vs my economical car (30mpg Diesel MB) due to the cost of diesel. It costs almost 1/4 to ride my bike vs an SUV, and it's a whole lot more fun. We still "need" an economical car though for cool/fowl weather and family stuff. I'll still take the bike, riding is in my blood.
 

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Recently there have been 5 people, who know I ride all the time, tell me they were considering a motorcycle because of the better mileage. I talked them out of it. For the money and the maintenance schedule, they are better off in a small car. A car gives weather protection, better crash protection, etc.

There are no perfect riders, but from what I've seen, about only 3% of bikers take it serious enough to make the odds much safer. All the rest are taking turns as if nothing should be on the road, then complain how unfair it was when they hit it, want to look cool rather wear the gear, couldn't care less about reading safety books, etc.

Unless a person has a passion for riding, and riding safe, they are better off in a car; let's face it.

wow.
 

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+1 on atgatt's comment.

When I finished my advanced rider course, I asked the instructor where I can get more training. He just looked at me and said, 'You are one in a million - most people just want the endorsement and don't give a rip about the safety aspects'.

Until everyone on the road realizes using the road is serious business we'll continue to have these 'fuq-ups' aka accidents.
 

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+1 on atgatt's comment.

When I finished my advanced rider course, I asked the instructor where I can get more training. He just looked at me and said, 'You are one in a million - most people just want the endorsement and don't give a rip about the safety aspects'.

Until everyone on the road realizes using the road is serious business we'll continue to have these 'fuq-ups' aka accidents.
I know what you mean. My father has been an MSF instructor for over 20 years now and most people show up and ask him if they can just pay him for the card that gets them their endorsement. It's sad the amount of people that believe they know everything already and you watch them ride away (yes they ride to the class with no endorsement) almost dropping the bike, not countersteering, wearing next to nothing as they ride away. I never saw the harm in knowing as much as you can about something that involves possibly saving your life.

I'm on of the ones who has had the safety aspect drilled into my head at a young age seeing as my father wouldn't let me ride without gear. I've done it a couple times when I was younger (and way less wiser) and felt naked. I can't be without a helmet or jacket anymore. My friend said it best when we rode over to Best Buy one day. The cashier looked at us both in gear on a 115 degree day and said "That just can't be comfortable out in this weather wearing those" and he looked at her and said "You know what, I don't really like wearing condoms either".
 

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That's a great response.

The cashier looked at us both in gear on a 115 degree day and said "That just can't be comfortable out in this weather wearing those" and he looked at her and said "You know what, I don't really like wearing condoms either".
I get the same thing going up to Home Depot for a part or something. I have people look at me and say, "I can't believe you are wearing that on a day like this". Usually, I just say 'It's not so bad - it's ventilated'. Some how they buy that.

When I was 16 I used to ride a moped. It doesn't sound like much but it would still do 50 mph with a tailwind and that's more than enough to scramble your eggs. My brother had bought it for me and sometimes we talk about that moped and he's says, "I wished I had bought you something bigger'. My response is, 'Thank god you didn't - I didn't wear gear back in those days - I could have really messed myself up'.
 

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Recently there have been 5 people, who know I ride all the time, tell me they were considering a motorcycle because of the better mileage. I talked them out of it. For the money and the maintenance schedule, they are better off in a small car. A car gives weather protection, better crash protection, etc.
I find mentioning the moto tire vs car tire lifetime horrifies most car owners and the discussion ends right there.
 

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I did some maths today, it costs me about 1/2 to run my bike vs my economical car (30mpg Diesel MB) due to the cost of diesel. It costs almost 1/4 to ride my bike vs an SUV, and it's a whole lot more fun.
There is no doubt that it's more fun, but I am not sure it's really more economical, especially when you get into the bigger bikes. Did you account for all costs or just cost of fuel? If you are older/married insurance is probably cheaper for a bike than a car, but that changes quickly if you are young and/or have had tickets/accidents. Registration is marginally cheaper too for the bike.

My tires don't last more than 4K, and at todays prices are about $400/pair (mounted and balanced). I could save $150 if I mail ordered and mounted/balanced myself, but I'm trying to compare apples and apples here. There is a major service (valve inspection/adjustment) at 15K miles. If you take the bike in to be serviced (as most of people do for cars, as opposed to do it at home), service isn't cheap at a bike shop. Granted, I have no accurate numbers to use here, I haven't had a bike serviced by a shop in while, but hourly rates are around $70 these days. Just to put some numbers (and feel free to correct if you have had recent experience) - oil+filter change: $50; 4K inspection: $150; 12K service (incl. filter cleaning): $250; 15K service (incl. valves): $500. Not sure about chain life on the Versys yet, but my V-Strom eats chains/sprockets at an average of 15K miles per set (~$200/set). If you add all those costs, I'm not sure it really ends up being cheaper than a small economy car to run. Most (all?) modern cars require little other than oil changes (~$35 at quick lube places) for 100K miles, tires will easily go 50K (if not more) on a small car.

If you could split lanes legally in the US (and Canada), park on the side walk and/or in places a car wouldn't fit (but are unmarked as legal parking) without getting a hefty ticket you could probably justify it just for the time savings in heavy traffic/limited parking areas. But traffic laws (and enforcement) aren't bike friendly here, which makes the case for bikes and scooters even less appealing for those who don't do it for the fun of riding.


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Gustavo, good points, and yes, assuming all the work was done by mechanics.

Then throw in, how many people using a bike, ride truly year round? I do, but I have a loose screw too (and so do a lot of you so don't laugh). My guess is those people who try to save gas, if they really mean it, will ride 2/3 to 1/2 of the year.

Throw in the medical bills for the accidents for the percentage of those same new riders, then lost wages, etc, again, they are much better off in a car.

Personally, I feel safer on my bike. Here's why:
http://ridingsafely.com/ridingsafely1.html

Here's why most should not feel safer:

http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm
 
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