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Shorts , tennis shoes, and no gloves? why bother with a helmet.
Skulls don't absorb impact like the rest of the body. There wasn't even armored gear when I was a teenager. A leather jacket was work when it was cool out, not if you go down.

Wearing ATGATT is like wearing a mask. You might think it is protecting you, but the level of protection is minimal.

I wear more on my naked bikes than my touring bikes because where armored gear does shine is when june bugs, bees, kicked up debris, or rain drops hit you at speed.

If you crash at high speed or worse yet actually hit something, high quality gear should save some skin, but you will have other injuries to contend with.

You don't see bicyclists wearing full Kevlar suits while pedaling, and definitely no armor.
 

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... when june bugs ... hit you at speed ...
This may be the best argument I've seen for full face helmets and armored jackets. Down side is, now I'll be worrying about june bugs when they are out - 🤦‍♂️

I can see the police report now -- "north Georgia man in ICU, hit in the neck by a june bug, paramedics stopped the bleeding, and he was rushed to the trauma unit" ...

Joking, of course, but it would raise quite a whelp to get hit by a june bug !?
 

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Back in the '60s while riding w/ a girl-friend, I gave her my helmet to wear, so I was just wearing 'aviator sunglasses'. I got hit right between the eyes by a 'bumble-bee' (at about 60mph), and THAT really 'got my attention'...!

NEVER gave up my helmet again, after THAT!
 

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Wearing ATGATT is like wearing a mask. You might think it is protecting you, but the level of protection is minimal.
Are you seriously saying that shorts, no gloves, and running shoes are just slightly inferior to wearing kevlar-lined, armoured, or leather pants, jacket, gloves and proper boots? I've never met a rider yet who has leather pavement-proof skin, plus hands, elbows and ankles capable of sustaining impact with solid objects at speed.
 

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This may be the best argument I've seen for full face helmets and armored jackets. Down side is, now I'll be worrying about june bugs when they are out - 🤦‍♂️

I can see the police report now -- "north Georgia man in ICU, hit in the neck by a june bug, paramedics stopped the bleeding, and he was rushed to the trauma unit" ...

Joking, of course, but it would raise quite a whelp to get hit by a june bug !?
In my teenage days I got hit in the shoulder by a grasshopper that left a welp that you could definitely tell it was a grasshopper. In my twenties, wearing a full face helmet, I took a glancing blow from a bird to the side of the helmet at 80 mph, thought it was gong to peel me off the bike, glad it wasn't straight on!
 

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Are you seriously saying that shorts, no gloves, and running shoes are just slightly inferior to wearing kevlar-lined, armoured, or leather pants, jacket, gloves and proper boots? I've never met a rider yet who has leather pavement-proof skin, plus hands, elbows and ankles capable of sustaining impact with solid objects at speed.
No, I am saying that you shouldn't let gear lull you into a false sense of security. I have observed that the more geared up riders are the more willing they are to take risks. Also, no amount of gear is going to eliminate injury when you get run over by a car. And that armor is designed for falling off the bike, not impacting a moving vehicle. 5 foot fall, not 30 miles an hour into a pole, car, or wall.

This guy isn't riding in traffic.
 

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Wearing ATTGAT gives me a feeling of lessened risk of skin loss and broken hands, elbows etc., not a false sense of security and I do not take additional risks because I have always worn full gear.

No, he was not riding in traffic but bones could have been broken in a fall and skin would definitely have been lost. But those guys are all young and invincible with their armoured skin.

I'll stick to ATTGAT.
 

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MY understanding is that your hands/fingers are some of the ONLY parts of the body that won't accept skin-grafts, so wearing AT LEAST gloves is a VG idea, so you don't end up w/ paddles at the end of your arms after a 'slide' down the pavement.

ATGATT is the RULE w/ me!
 

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I got hit right between the eyes by a 'bumble-bee'
I used to wear an open face. On 2 occasions, I’ve picked up a yellow jacket in my helmet, right next to my ear. Wings buzzing at full throttle trying to escape right next to your ear is a very unpleasant sound. Emergency stop to rip off the helmet ASAP. Stung both times just as I was pulling it off.
What are the odds? Once dirt biking, the other 15 yrs later on the street. My preference now is a 3/4 helmet with flip up face shield. I break out the modular once the cooler temps hit.
 

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Wearing ATTGAT gives me a feeling of lessened risk of skin loss and broken hands, elbows etc., not a false sense of security and I do not take additional risks because I have always worn full gear.

No, he was not riding in traffic but bones could have been broken in a fall and skin would definitely have been lost. But those guys are all young and invincible with their armoured skin.

I'll stick to ATTGAT.
Dude, your gear is not going to prevent broken bones. You say you wear ATGATT, but you don't really. Unless of course for every ride you are wearing 10 - 12" armored moto-x boots, race quality armored in the knee and hips leather pants, kidney belt, chest protector, race quality armored race jacket with air back technology, LEATT neck brace, knee brace, race rated full face helmet, and race rated gauntlet gloves.

Even with all that gear, if you actually impact anything you will be injured.

Focus on honing your skills. That is how you avoid finding out if your gear does its job or not.

Learn about all the unique hazards motorcyclists encounter that car drivers can take for granted. This is how you avoid hazardous situations.

Keep your motorcycle in top condition and make sure it is set up properly for you. The majority of riders I talk to never even set the static sag on their bikes.
 

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MY understanding is that your hands/fingers are some of the ONLY parts of the body that won't accept skin-grafts, so wearing AT LEAST gloves is a VG idea, so you don't end up w/ paddles at the end of your arms after a 'slide' down the pavement.

ATGATT is the RULE w/ me!
I wear gloves for almost every activity I do. Nitrile gloves when handling raw meat or wrenching on the vehicles. Ropers when working around the animals. Padded fingerless gloves when working out.

I gear up when I ride, but when it is hot out, Kevlar jeans and mesh jacket is the most I can handle here in the southeast. I still wear my full on armored riding boots and quality gloves as well as a modular or FF helmet.

What I don't do though is think this gear is going to do anything for me if I screw up. My plan is to ride like I am invisible and like I am in shorts and T-shirt.
 

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I wear gloves when appropriate, which means anytime I ride and the other times I should. My dad takes this to a whole new level. My brother and I joke that he probably wears gloves to take a pee.
 

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I wear gloves when appropriate, which means anytime I ride and the other times I should. My dad takes this to a whole new level. My brother and I joke that he probably wears gloves to take a pee.
My brother and I joke that he probably wears gloves to take a pee.
Bet that could be a little difficult getting little Johnny to show especially if it's cold out. :)
 
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