Engine Swap 2012 Versys / ninja Motor

like i said, you are not restricted to finding a Versys spec motor. i've been running ER6 sportbike motors in my Versys bikes for over 10 years. my current Versys is running a 3rd generation EX650 motor on the Versys harness. as far as i'm concerned, the sportbike motor swap on a Versys is a desirable outcome. Kawasaki Poland is correct when they state that the power output is different, the sportbike motor makes more of everything that counts.

if the motors don't swap, i wouldn't say they do swap. you're free to draw your own conclusions.

Versys frame, sportbike motor...



Versys frame, sportbike motor...



Versys frame, sportbike motor...

Hello,

This is third and I hope the last topic about my versys. Since the cranshaft is damaged, after talking in the other topic my conclusion is simple. Swap the engine.

But the engine is a broad and cofusing topic.

Currently my Versys is 2012. I have really big trouble with finding a replacment for this specific motorcycle. User Jdrocks explained to me that I'm not particularly limited to the "versys" engine, since there is ER6, Ninjas and "z650s?"

What I want to achieve is to swap just the engine without much modifications to the electrical system.

I have a few options, but I need a really big help here.

Z650 engine from 2018. The question is about ECU compatability since I would like to connect it to my 2012 ECU. Since it is a different model with different power output i think that perhaps injection maps are different.

Or perhaps I need to buy a motor plus ecu or whole electrical system incl key due to immobilizer that might be embeeded into the ECU?

If that's too big hassle I wonder about ER6 motor from 2012. How about that one? Will it plug and play? Or I need to find ECU for that one to be working?

I also found 3rd gen versys engine, but the same question remains as @ first one.

I am expecting this thread to be moved back to your other one. So here is my take on it. You need a 2014 or older . I have no idea if the Z650 2018 changed the mounting like they did on the 2015 Versys which has a rubber mount motor.
With a older 650 Ninja you could use your 2012 ECU, you would need to change the temperature sensor and I think that is it. Crankshaft position sensor and other sensors should be compatible. On the 2012 some of the ECU power and sensor power came from the cluster . 2015 on they went with 5 VDC all from the ECU including the temperature sensor. One thing, the camshaft, the cams, etc. are different to produce more horsepower --on the Z650 or what @jdrocks calls the COP motor-actually has more horsepower and a different fuel map.
I am sure that anything posted here that is incorrect will be corrected.

onewizard said:

...on the Z650 or what @jdrocks calls the COP motor-actually has more horsepower and a different fuel map.
I am sure that anything posted here that is incorrect will be corrected.

Swapping 2012 Ninja 650 engine into 2013 Versys 650.

Completed engine swap. Tried to just swap ecu from Ninja into Versys frame. Bike runs and revs fine. When I ride it on the road the engine cuts out. I then back off the throttle and the engine comes back to life. What do I need to swap to make this work? Also Fi light is flashing very fast...

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i don't run Z650 motors, and my "cop motor" reference pre dates the intro of the modern 649 ptwin Z650 by 8 years. the reference started as the name for the high compression high performance ptwin sportbike motors that were swapped to the Versys frame. there is no mistaking the difference between the two motors, even though they appear identical.

while you got the first part of the post a little wrong, you got the second part very much right by referencing the earlier thread on 650 motor swaps. these swaps are common for anyone in the States wanting a swap for performance or to replace a damaged Versys motor. the 650 ptwin is robust and reliable, and not easily damaged beyond repair except for instances of oversight or neglect.

this thread is starting to remind me of that other recent inmate thread where the guy wouldn't research, wouldn't read, wouldn't listen.

jdrocks said:

i don't run Z650 motors, and my "cop motor" reference pre dates the intro of the modern 649 ptwin Z650 by 8 years. the reference started as the name for the high compression high performance ptwin sportbike motors that were swapped to the Versys frame. there is no mistaking the difference between the two motors, even though they appear identical.

while you got the first part of the post a little wrong, you got the second part very much right by referencing the earlier thread on 650 motor swaps. these swaps are common for anyone in the States wanting a swap for performance or to replace a damaged Versys motor. the 650 ptwin is robust and reliable, and not easily damaged beyond repair except for instances of oversight or neglect.

this thread is starting to remind me of that other recent inmate thread where the guy wouldn't research, wouldn't read, wouldn't listen.

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The same,same questions and same guy according to post #71--- FYI anyone too lazy to look at links and figure out for themselves-well if you start a new thread, expect someone to move it or many just ignore the thread.
I am going to say, over the years as a multi-tradesman, I would be introduced by the Foundry electrical foreman to the lead hand. It would go like this-hey, meet onewizard, he is our electrical expert - I would reply, I am a specialist--a expert, implies that everything to know about the subject is known, no more learning needed- a specialist is someone that specializes in the subject, is continually learning and will never know all there is to know on the subject because it keeps changing.

No doubt in my mind that referring to @jdrocks as a expert on this subject - is no stretch of the imagination-people come from all over the world to both forums-the main one Adv-____fill in the blank --( management frowns on redirecting to competitive forums)

Hi,

So I have purchased used engine for 1000€ with suppossed 32kkm.
So, there are problems.
1. Compression cyl 2. 10bar, cyl 1. 10.5 bar...
2. Camshafts sprokets and crankshaft sprocket have visible indents due to camchain teeth. They are deep enough, you can hear srkkk type of sound when you move something over those gear teeth.
3. Fresh oil became quickly black af. The engine has been flushed with fresh oil + chemical combo. After flushing the oil under top cover is still as black as it could be.
4. Water pump starts to sweat.
5. Camshats and bridges are at good state...


F*** me...