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while it can be done, it doesn't make sense from a cost standpoint to rebuild. find a used replacement, many are plug and play for your model year Versys and the work can be done in a day...maybe less if you have some skills. motors from across the early generation ER6 platform will swap, others too, you are not limited to the Versys spec motor.

replacement motors are cheap in the States, as well as the Euro zone, and some other countries. find one that fits your budget and swap.
 

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Well, the problem is there is not much kawasaki engines dedicated to my versys. Sure there are a lot of er6 engines, but I'm not sure whenever they will fit my motorcycle without diagnosing potential ecu incompatability or frame. I called Kawasaki in Poland, but they told me even though they look similar, they are different and so is the power output, camshafts etc.

One dude sells the exact engine i need for 900€.
(Versys 10-14), but not sure bout mileage.

There is more newer engines (2015+), but not sure if they are plug and play due to ecu and whenever it will fit my 2012 chasis.

For example this https://allegro.pl/oferta/kawasaki-er6-12-16-silnik-11475727010
Will it swap with no electronics changes?
 

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like i said, you are not restricted to finding a Versys spec motor. i've been running ER6 sportbike motors in my Versys bikes for over 10 years. my current Versys is running a 3rd generation EX650 motor on the Versys harness. as far as i'm concerned, the sportbike motor swap on a Versys is a desirable outcome. Kawasaki Poland is correct when they state that the power output is different, the sportbike motor makes more of everything that counts.

if the motors don't swap, i wouldn't say they do swap. you're free to draw your own conclusions.

Versys frame, sportbike motor...



Versys frame, sportbike motor...



Versys frame, sportbike motor...

 

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Frame is one thing, how about ecu compatability. Is it totally plug and play?
let's say I will buy versys 2018 engine then try to plug it to my ecu and it will not run?
Same with ninja or er6?
Perhaps different plugs, coils sensors?
 

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Hello,

This is third and I hope the last topic about my versys. Since the cranshaft is damaged, after talking in the other topic my conclusion is simple. Swap the engine.

But the engine is a broad and cofusing topic.

Currently my Versys is 2012. I have really big trouble with finding a replacment for this specific motorcycle. User Jdrocks explained to me that I'm not particularly limited to the "versys" engine, since there is ER6, Ninjas and "z650s?"

What I want to achieve is to swap just the engine without much modifications to the electrical system.

I have a few options, but I need a really big help here.

Z650 engine from 2018. The question is about ECU compatability since I would like to connect it to my 2012 ECU. Since it is a different model with different power output i think that perhaps injection maps are different.

Or perhaps I need to buy a motor plus ecu or whole electrical system incl key due to immobilizer that might be embeeded into the ECU?

If that's too big hassle I wonder about ER6 motor from 2012. How about that one? Will it plug and play? Or I need to find ECU for that one to be working?

I also found 3rd gen versys engine, but the same question remains as @ first one.
 

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If you were only changing the Crankshaft the Versys crankshaft and Er6N crankshaft have same part number
So if it is easier to find parts of ER6N it should fit

But as suggested I would imagine swapping the Engine complete would probably easier than trying to change the crankshaft :-(
 

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I am expecting this thread to be moved back to your other one. So here is my take on it. You need a 2014 or older . I have no idea if the Z650 2018 changed the mounting like they did on the 2015 Versys which has a rubber mount motor.
With a older 650 Ninja you could use your 2012 ECU, you would need to change the temperature sensor and I think that is it. Crankshaft position sensor and other sensors should be compatible. On the 2012 some of the ECU power and sensor power came from the cluster . 2015 on they went with 5 VDC all from the ECU including the temperature sensor. One thing, the camshaft, the cams, etc. are different to produce more horsepower --on the Z650 or what @jdrocks calls the COP motor-actually has more horsepower and a different fuel map.
I am sure that anything posted here that is incorrect will be corrected.



 

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I posted this at the beginning of this thread:

Here is a example where a new member decided to post something like over 10 different threads. Information in one thread was lacking in the second. If the topic changes as this thread did, either edit the title or ask a mod to do it.Starting new threads does two things;

Those trying to help, see a new thread, instead of following advice given you start a new thread-that ticks off the people helping and the new people viewing the new thread are lacking the information previously posted. As you go along in the trouble shooting, CHANGE THE TITLE -all those helping are still getting tagged, all the new members attempting to help can see what has been done to date.
 

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...on the Z650 or what @jdrocks calls the COP motor-actually has more horsepower and a different fuel map.
I am sure that anything posted here that is incorrect will be corrected.

i don't run Z650 motors, and my "cop motor" reference pre dates the intro of the modern 649 ptwin Z650 by 8 years. the reference started as the name for the high compression high performance ptwin sportbike motors that were swapped to the Versys frame. there is no mistaking the difference between the two motors, even though they appear identical.

while you got the first part of the post a little wrong, you got the second part very much right by referencing the earlier thread on 650 motor swaps. these swaps are common for anyone in the States wanting a swap for performance or to replace a damaged Versys motor. the 650 ptwin is robust and reliable, and not easily damaged beyond repair except for instances of oversight or neglect.

this thread is starting to remind me of that other recent inmate thread where the guy wouldn't research, wouldn't read, wouldn't listen.
 

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i don't run Z650 motors, and my "cop motor" reference pre dates the intro of the modern 649 ptwin Z650 by 8 years. the reference started as the name for the high compression high performance ptwin sportbike motors that were swapped to the Versys frame. there is no mistaking the difference between the two motors, even though they appear identical.

while you got the first part of the post a little wrong, you got the second part very much right by referencing the earlier thread on 650 motor swaps. these swaps are common for anyone in the States wanting a swap for performance or to replace a damaged Versys motor. the 650 ptwin is robust and reliable, and not easily damaged beyond repair except for instances of oversight or neglect.

this thread is starting to remind me of that other recent inmate thread where the guy wouldn't research, wouldn't read, wouldn't listen.
The same,same questions and same guy according to post #71--- FYI anyone too lazy to look at links and figure out for themselves-well if you start a new thread, expect someone to move it or many just ignore the thread.
I am going to say, over the years as a multi-tradesman, I would be introduced by the Foundry electrical foreman to the lead hand. It would go like this-hey, meet onewizard, he is our electrical expert - I would reply, I am a specialist--a expert, implies that everything to know about the subject is known, no more learning needed- a specialist is someone that specializes in the subject, is continually learning and will never know all there is to know on the subject because it keeps changing.

No doubt in my mind that referring to @jdrocks as a
expert on this subject - is no stretch of the imagination-people come from all over the world to both forums-the main one Adv-____fill in the blank --( management frowns on redirecting to competitive forums)
 

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Well, multiple topics were connected which makes it kinda messy, but the good news is Jdrocks provided me a veeery valuable link which is the redirect to the other guy's topic which basically answers my questions about whenever er6 2012-2016 (ex650, ninja whatever) will fit into my versys, yay.
According to that Kawilover it is totally plug and play. It should work with 2012 versys ecu and harness which is a perfect solution for me...

The price of the engine here in Poland goes 1050$ which is 40% of what I paid for for the motorcycle...
 

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Hi,

So I have purchased used engine for 1000€ with suppossed 32kkm.
So, there are problems.
1. Compression cyl 2. 10bar, cyl 1. 10.5 bar...
2. Camshafts sprokets and crankshaft sprocket have visible indents due to camchain teeth. They are deep enough, you can hear srkkk type of sound when you move something over those gear teeth.
3. Fresh oil became quickly black af. The engine has been flushed with fresh oil + chemical combo. After flushing the oil under top cover is still as black as it could be.
4. Water pump starts to sweat.
5. Camshats and bridges are at good state...


F*** me...
 

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Hi,

So I have purchased used engine for 1000€ with suppossed 32kkm.
So, there are problems.
1. Compression cyl 2. 10bar, cyl 1. 10.5 bar...
2. Camshafts sprokets and crankshaft sprocket have visible indents due to camchain teeth. They are deep enough, you can hear srkkk type of sound when you move something over those gear teeth.
3. Fresh oil became quickly black af. The engine has been flushed with fresh oil + chemical combo. After flushing the oil under top cover is still as black as it could be.
4. Water pump starts to sweat.
5. Camshats and bridges are at good state...


Fuck me...
Your last statement sums it up - a parts motor or get a refund?
 

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I will contact the seller today. Fortunately it's a shop, so they are responsible for that...

I hope the refund not only the cost of the engine and delivery, but swap costs oil etc... Which is another 300€
Some tough luck here-hopefully you get something positive-you have had more than your share of negative-Thanks for Posting.
 
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