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Steve @ shoodabeen seems to have disappeared from the site and is not responding to emails I have sent over the past few weeks.
Is there any other folks flashing ECU's?
 

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I watched this video yesterday and have seen several of these. There is a link to their site and he does do Versys, $285 I think don't quote me. BTW the vid that got me to this one was on a ZX10R he did

 

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interesting ..stock was better than the booster plug doesnt surprise me tbo ..it did become a bit vague at the end but from what i could see on the board it was58.2 booster 60.67 stock and from what i could read 61.25 hp after the reflash ..like less than one horspower difference from stock .
ive often been puzzled about reports of bad on off fueling as the two vs ive had are absalutly fine ?
it would be nice if i have misread this ..have i ?
but it does seem a lot of hassle for maby one horspower .that may well be half the story as theres zip feedback from the owner which is a shame as the lower throttle responce may be better but we kinda dont know
all in all based on whats in the video if really wanted a significantly faster bike it would make sense just to go and buy one
 

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interesting ..stock was better than the booster plug doesnt surprise me tbo ..it did become a bit vague at the end but from what i could see on the board it was58.2 booster 60.67 stock and from what i could read 61.25 hp after the reflash ..like less than one horspower difference from stock .
ive often been puzzled about reports of bad on off fueling as the two vs ive had are absalutly fine ?
it would be nice if i have misread this ..have i ?
but it does seem a lot of hassle for maby one horspower .that may well be half the story as theres zip feedback from the owner which is a shame as the lower throttle responce may be better but we kinda dont know
all in all based on whats in the video if really wanted a significantly faster bike it would make sense just to go and buy one
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if really wanted a significantly faster bike it would make sense just to go and buy one
Totally agree, only benefit I'd really want would be the on/off throttle improvement. It would be advisable to ask what the numbers are for the Versys
 

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if really wanted a significantly faster bike it would make sense just to go and buy one
I think there is a segment of riders that throw money at performance no matter what bike they buy. You should see all the performance mods for the grom. My Road Glide is stock drive train from the factory. Guys on the forum throw thousands getting to 150 hp / 150 ft-lbs torque. I could add another Concours 14 for what they spend.

I on the other hand have criteria for suspension that if not met requires suspension upgrades. I spent $2000 on some bikes getting the suspension where I wanted it.
 

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I could care less about the 1 HP gain. I have learned to live with the throttle just fine.
What I want is some bottom end and mid range torque that the first gen bike had assuming my memory still works.
 

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The Shoodaben flash did fix the low rpm issues for my 2015. It wasn't very rideable below 4000 rpm. Now it runs smoothly and with adequate torque even at 2000 rpm. It makes a huge difference in what I'd call suburban riding. The motor doesn't need to be wound up to 5k rpm while going 30 mph! Good torque for moderate acceleration, smooth throttle response, and smooth engine.

The most recent model years may have an improved ECU programming from the factory.

Shoodaben shaves the redline from 10k down to 9500 rpm. But if you ask Steve he will leave it at 10k.
 

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I have learned to live with the throttle just fine.
I have as well on my 2019
The most recent model years may have an improved ECU programming from the factory.
They may have, on my pothole infested gravel road to my house I go to 2nd gear at a crawl which really helps the jerky throttle response and have no issues with instant throttle response to spin the tire. This may be credited to the Dynojet the previous owner installed, no other modifications.
 

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Jerky throttle response, some more umph below 4,000RPM fixed by Steves flash yes. No more top end, Steve says Kawi has that all figured out. This is what Kawi does best, ring out the most out of an engine and the 649cc is their workhorse. If you just ride road I would recommend 15-44 tooth gearing. Less shifting around, a little higher top end and still ramps up quickly especially with the flash.
 

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My 2023 does has jerky fueling in 2nd and 3rd gear and low RPM. So much so that when I ride a city street, the bumps on the road move my throttle hand enough to slightly jerk the bike around!

I'm only 280 miles in, so I won't change anything just yet.
 

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jerky fueling
So what this is a fuel decel cutoff like an engine brake on a truck I believe. You release the throttle and the fuel is immediately cut off and engine compression braking occurs. Its programmed into the OEM ECU. Kawi has to meet fuel saving standards around the world and this is one way to do it. I don't know about the earlier Gens but my 2015 had it. Steves flash tricks out the ECU so you release the throttle and the engine just winds down old school instead of abruptly having the fuel cut off and engine braking occurring. As far as I know that's how it all works. Some people don't notice it and some like it! Kind of annoying for my style of riding.
 

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Just sent my ECU off to Steve yesterday. He has been in touch and will let me know when he sends it back out to me. Looking forward to this improvement.
Please keep us updated. I sent him an email a couple of days ago but no response. I'm sure he is busy.

His site says 15-21 for the V ECU flash, I have a '22 but I'm sure it would be the same.

Btw, how soon did he respond to you? What is the current lead time after he receives your ECU?

*Edit: just checked my inbox and he responded yesterday.
 

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I had Steve do my 2019 Versys 650 ECU in August 2022. His turn-around was quick, about a week. He emailed a pre-drafted instruction document that said to write down the #s on top of the ECU (presumably so there's no question one's not getting back the one sent in). It suggested I mail it in one of the USPS priority mail small boxes and insure it for $800. He flashes it and returns it the same way. The doc said he doesn't accept any FedEx packages. My complaint with the Kawi OEM flash was the very choppy throttle response when downshifting to 2nd gear and throttling up into turns. In addition to that issue, the OEM flash also has pretty heavy engine braking when you lay off the throttle. I waited 2 years, 10,000 miles before doing the flash. Steve's flash took care of the choppy throttle issue and the engine braking is much less severe. I've ridden 2,500 miles on since the flash. The bike is smoother overall, however, I lost 2 - 3 mpg. I'm getting ~49.5mpg now instead of ~52 before. I think that is to be expected, it's just not highlighted in many of the discussions. Good luck.
 

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Jazzy, I just sent you a PM
Vagrantbiker, I responded 3 times to your emails. I sent the shipping info twice, on the first two. By the third one, I figured my responses are going in your spam box, but I responded anyway. Check there, please.
I try to respond to everyone, and I'm surprised at how well the v650 flash has been received. Thanks All!
Steve
 

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Steve, I just sent an email from my gmail account and a PM here with a different email.
I have no idea why my Outlook isn't letting you through to me. I sure hope this works!
Nothing in spam, not in blocked callers. Anybody know why? My cousin responded to a email I sent here last week and it never came either. I'm lost and starting to hate outlook!
 

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We got together on Gmail just fine and I sent my computer in at 4pm Az time on Friday. It showed up the next Friday after traveling over 4000 miles, so that means he turned it around in 24 hours or less. Fantastic service. I only got in 120 miles Saturday as it was cold here. It was all twisty back roads at 3300 foot. Bike ran great! No more constant shifting to keep it at 5500 RPm like before. In fact ,I could drop down to 3000 in fifth and it was fine ,even though I won't make a habit of doing that it's nice to know the bike is finally happy everywhere. Yes the snatchy throttle is gone too.
Money well spent.
I will do a better review after I get more time on it.
 
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