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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 12-29-2015, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
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More first ride African twin

here's a vid or two of what riding it would be like...she looks a little floppy into the turns like our bikes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREz...s_digest-vrecs

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My next bike. Won't be selling the Versys though.
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Yea, My next bike also.. IF it survives with a year of real world testing by various owners. I want to see if it has any shortcomings show up.. But dang I haven't drooled over a bike in a Long time. It looks nearly as dirt capable as the KTM's.. Great Job Honda! Light weight, Not overly Powerful..I Think I would go for the Standard transmission though.
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I Think I would go for the Standard transmission though.
my first thought too..but all of the reviewers seem to like it..especially off road...
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My next bike. Won't be selling the Versys though.
Out of curiosity, why keep the Versys? The Honda looks to be a great street bike too. If like most, probably much better street bike than dirt bike, despite the jumps and whatnot the pros can make them do. Not that I have anything against multiple bikes, those two just seem so similar. Just wondered if I'm missing something the Versys would be better at.
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I don't want to sell because I have put so much into Versys, and I still enjoy riding it. And I can't quite put my finger on it but selling a bike is very different to selling a car. Without trying to sounds so much as a cliche, but there is almost a bond.

As for being similar, I hope you're wrong as I am expecting so much more, and early reviews are comparing the new AT to the KTM990 Adv. And I'm looking forward to the DCT

There are many things I like about the Versys, particularly in Thailand as it is cheap to maintain, the mods to take it off road are plenty-full here. But there are one or two things I dislike. Constantly looking for a 6th gear. The vibration and I feel I need a little more touring comfort and power off road. I appreciate some of this things can be eradicated by changing sprockets (but doing so gains in one area and losses in another). Seat I have had custom made but it is still a literal pain.

And more importantly, the price here in Thailand is a huge factor.

My choices of past:

BMW GS1200 Adventure was 1,3million baht but now (36,000 US dollars) but they have since reduce it to 1million baht. KTM in this price bracket.

F800 GS was 836,000bht and is now 550,000bht (was 880,000) The new triumph XCX is the same.

CRF1000l is expected to be between 500-600k which makes it a reasonable price here. (BMW I think have responded knowing Honda's Intent)

Kawasaki Versys 316,000Bht.
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I don't want to sell because I have put so much into Versys, and I still enjoy riding it. And I can't quite put my finger on it but selling a bike is very different to selling a car. Without trying to sounds so much as a cliche, but there is almost a bond.

As for being similar, I hope you're wrong as I am expecting so much more, and early reviews are comparing the new AT to the KTM990 Adv. And I'm looking forward to the DCT

There are many things I like about the Versys, particularly in Thailand as it is cheap to maintain, the mods to take it off road are plenty-full here. But there are one or two things I dislike. Constantly looking for a 6th gear. The vibration and I feel I need a little more touring comfort and power off road. I appreciate some of this things can be eradicated by changing sprockets (but doing so gains in one area and losses in another). Seat I have had custom made but it is still a literal pain.

And more importantly, the price here in Thailand is a huge factor.

My choices of past:

BMW GS1200 Adventure was 1,3million baht but now (36,000 US dollars) but they have since reduce it to 1million baht. KTM in this price bracket.

F800 GS was 836,000bht and is now 550,000bht (was 880,000) The new triumph XCX is the same.

CRF1000l is expected to be between 500-600k which makes it a reasonable price here. (BMW I think have responded knowing Honda's Intent)

Kawasaki Versys 316,000Bht.
4 Versys for the price of a GS, yowza!
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...But there are one or two things I dislike. Constantly looking for a 6th gear....
All three of MY Versys 650s have had 6 speeds....



I DO, on the other hand, OCCASIONALLY search for a 7th gear...!
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All three of MY Versys 650s have had 6 speeds....



I DO, on the other hand, OCCASIONALLY search for a 7th gear...!
Damn it! It has a 6th?
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The Honda looks to be a great street bike too. If like most, probably much better street bike than dirt bike, despite the jumps and whatnot the pros can make them do.
with it's larger 19" wheels the African will not be as curve friendly as our trusted Versys...just as our Versys aren't as off road friendly with their 17" cast wheels...the African was designed with off roading in mind..the Versys..looks only pretty much...for off roading I would jump on some nice 400 something or other...I don't think I need something bigger to scamper over rocks...

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with it's larger 19" wheels the African will not be as curve friendly as our trusted Versys...just as our Versys aren't as off road friendly with their 17" cast wheels...the African was designed with off roading in mind..the Versys..looks only pretty much...for off roading I would jump on some nice 400 something or other...I don't think I need something bigger to scamper over rocks...

Yeah I suppose. I noticed Ducati has gotten off their butts and started producing adv action vid's of their Multistradas. They just spoon on taller spoked wheels for the dirt shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fkxKZc6GOg

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They just spoon on taller spoked wheels for the dirt shots.
that's actually a new dirty version of the Multi, more directly aimed at the GS. looks like they are tubeless spoked wheels. kawasaki, take a hint.

i'm with Saddlebag... if this new AT has adequate fuel range i may eventually splurge for one. if that happens, the versys will be gone. it would be redundant. there are too many other bikes out there that i'd like to own to keep a Vs parked next to an AT.

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with it's larger 19" wheels the African will not be as curve friendly as our trusted Versys...just as our Versys aren't as off road friendly with their 17" cast wheels...
You are both mistaken and correct. The Africa Twin has a 21-inch front wheel, which makes your point even more true.


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You are both mistaken and correct. The Africa Twin has a 21-inch front wheel, which makes your point even more true.

Yup.. I'm an off-roader at heart and have way more time off-road than on-road. I think the 21 inch wheel appeals to me even more.
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that's actually a new dirty version of the Multi, more directly aimed at the GS. looks like they are tubeless spoked wheels. kawasaki, take a hint.

i'm with Saddlebag... if this new AT has adequate fuel range i may eventually splurge for one. if that happens, the versys will be gone. it would be redundant. there are too many other bikes out there that i'd like to own to keep a Vs parked next to an AT.
I agree.. if I go the AT route, I wont keep the V.. It wouldn't be a logical choice for me. However I have grown pretty Fond of it, and at this point the AT is the only bike I see the possibility of trading it for.
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I agree.. if I go the AT route, I wont keep the V.. It wouldn't be a logical choice for me. However I have grown pretty Fond of it, and at this point the AT is the only bike I see the possibility of trading it for.
Well, even in the event you want to go out and push it down a windy road, I doubt that it will far too far behind. Most of the vids show it roosting in the sand, but there are a couple out there with guys pushing them pretty quick down an asphalt road too.
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Well, even in the event you want to go out and push it down a windy road, I doubt that it will far too far behind. Most of the vids show it roosting in the sand, but there are a couple out there with guys pushing them pretty quick down an asphalt road too.
You have to be going pretty fast for the wheels to make a difference. I've rode the tail of the dragon on a 21" front wheel bike and the Versys and, yes, the Versys is more flickable as the smaller front wheel has a lesser gyroscopic effect, but that's about it. The extra traction of the 17" doesn't really come into play unless you're going stupid fast.
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rode the AT for an hour today...!

Today I got an hour “seat-time” in Honda’s new Africa Twin.

First comment - the cockpit feels like home, getting off my Gen 3 Versys, but there are significant differences: the LED instrument panel seems to be a dark smoke color, w/ the items (speed, etc) coming up in a ‘lighter’ smoke NOT the easiest to read, tho’ it DOES have a gear indicator as well as the usual trip computor giving mpg, range, etc; the mirrors look similar to the V ones and don’t appear to vibrate (at least at the speeds AND the roads I rode); the handlebars are 1 or 1.25”, but STILL my right hand went numb (they DO seem to be as high as mine are w/ their 2” Rox Risers, thus facilitating standing on the ‘pegs); and the seat feels OK - the front doesn’t slide you into the tank - but w/out a few more miles it’s hard to say whether it’s MORE comfortable or not.



I couldn’t “flat-foot” the AT but also not quite ’tip-toes’, I figure it’s about half an inch higher than is my V, so, while not a big issue - I HAD to remember THAT when putting a foot down. Pulling away, again it felt quite similar, and I got onto the highway for about 10 minutes, then headed for the Beaver Lake Road, a quite rough paved, gravel, and dirt road that heads UP from around 1400’ ASL to above 4000, tho’ I didn’t go that high due to my time constraints.

You can’t miss the rough patches, and there’s fresh gravel near the bottom for a mile or so, so I was on-the-pegs, which felt very normal to me, tho’ as I ride w/ the balls of my feet on the ‘pegs a lot, I felt my right heel contacting something. Turned out to be the muffler, (which you can see in this pic).



so I moved my feet forward, continuing (fairly carefully as I didn’t want to dump someone else’s bike), but getting HARD into the gas.



Again - it felt similar to MY Gen 3, which has been up-graded a’bit’….

I wasn’t about to try broad-sliding it, but I did try the traction control in both the 3rd level (MOST intrusive), and the 1st, but didn’t figure how to get rid of it entirely, so - did I feel ALL 100 HP…? No, but it felt pretty peppy, again - similar to my Gen 3. The brakes felt pretty good, again very similar to the V brakes.

Off the hill, back onto the highway, passed a few cages. AGAIN - Guess what it felt similar to…?



From all the tests on the AT I’ve read, I would like to try the DC version in some REAL dirt!


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When I walked into a showroom and saw one, I thought it was a super tenere. It would have to be a much better bike to deal with tubes over tubeless tires.

That is the comparison I want to see. Although, my dirt days at faster than 25 mph are probably over with an old disk injury affecting the Sciatic nerve lately. One good off and my riding career is probably over.

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When I walked into a showroom and saw one, I thought it was a super tenere. It would have to be a much better bike to deal with tubes over tubeless tires.

That is the comparison I want to see. Although, my dirt days at faster than 25 mph are probably over with an old disk injury affecting the Sciatic nerve lately. One good off and my riding career is probably over.
A thread over on ADVRIDER where owners have switched and are making comparisons..As with everything, some positives, some negatives.. I'm set to take one out Saturday.
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