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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 10-11-2014, 01:10 PM Thread Starter
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CCM GP450 Adventure

Check this amazing little bike out.





40hp, BMW Single Cylinder engine, with fuel injection. 260lbs Dry... Let me say that again 260lbs dry. (!)

Lets do some math:
Versys 650, 450lbs, 63hp = 7.14lbs/hp
CCM GP450 ADV, 270lbs (ish, wet) , 40hp = 6.75lbs/hp

http://www.ccm-motorcycles.com/index.asp

Are these legal in North America?
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Probably cost $20,000+
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I'll take the black one.

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Suppose to be coming to the US aswell.. hmm..

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it says 4.5L/100mi with a 17L tank. can someone check my math? i get 84 mpg. claimed capacity at 17L, i'll figure 16L to burn, which is 4.2 gal. that's a 350 mile tank range, which is ridiculous. and without 50 lbs of gas riding high to go that distance. a featherweight 450 would suck on any interstate stretch, but man, the places you could go....

In a world full of people, only some want to ride. Isn't that crazy?
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it says 4.5L/100mi with a 17L tank. can someone check my math? i get 84 mpg. claimed capacity at 17L, i'll figure 16L to burn, which is 4.2 gal. that's a 350 mile tank range, which is ridiculous. and without 50 lbs of gas riding high to go that distance. a featherweight 450 would suck on any interstate stretch, but man, the places you could go....
No it says 4.5L/100km. So using a usable 16L (of the 17L tank), that would be 355km to a tank. That's about the range I get with the Versys. We use "L/100km" allot here in Canada, so, comparatively 4.5L/100km is not spectacular.

Also a service interval of 8000km is not the best.
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so my math is correct, my eyesight is suspect. thanks, mate. somewhat less exciting....

In a world full of people, only some want to ride. Isn't that crazy?
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4.5 L /100 km = 52 miles per US gallon.

You need to include rider weight for realistic power to weight ratio figures, chief... It may be quicker, but not if you're actually riding it.

BMW G 450 X has the same engine:

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/i...html&notrack=1

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I've been monitoring this bike closely for months now. It ticks all the boxes for what I want from a bike. The company says it will be coming to the US but I think that is not a certainty. The first production bikes are only coming off the factory floor in a few weeks and it's a tiny company so we are not talking Honda or even KTM type of units. There is a lot of interest in this bike from all over the world but price might be an issue. It's made in England with high quality parts so it's not cheap. Still, cheaper than a KTM 690R once you make all the apparently necessary changes to that bike.

I can only hope it comes here and my wallet is fat enough at the time

oh...there is an 83 page discussion of it over on advrider. Lots of good info (and arguments) in there.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857243
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4.5 L /100 km = 52 miles per US gallon.

You need to include rider weight for realistic power to weight ratio figures, chief... It may be quicker, but not if you're actually riding it.

BMW G 450 X has the same engine:

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/i...html&notrack=1
Jeeese... You had to bring up my weight. Have you been talking to my wife?

Lets try it:

Versys 650, 450lbs, I'm 180lbs, gear say 10lbs, equipment and panniers 30lbs, = 670lbs @ 63hp = 10.63lbs/hp
CCM 450, 260lbs, I'm 180lbs, gear say 10lbs, equipment and panniers 30lbs, = 480lbs @ 40hp = 12lbs/hp

Point taken.

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Here's the factory site.

http://www.ccm-motorcycles.com

This would be Da Bomb off road where even a 650 is too much...450 pounds still sucks. I'd rather be slower on road and better off road than get crunched by a falling 1190 or GSA...even a little KLR hurts, I know.

PLUS if you nose around the site that have a "Power Plug" that'll get ya 50HP Plus a upgraded stator.

Or was that look THEN leap?
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I stand corrected...

They say it will cost $10863 US, and better still, already shipping to Canada.

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/cc...ion-confirmed/

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My 1973 CCM (Canada Cycle & Motor Co. Ltd., founded in 1899) Mustang was a great bicycle.

Between 1983 and 1985, over 4,000 CCM (Clews Competition Machines, founded in 1971) motorcycles were licensed to export from the UK to North America badged as Can-Am (motorcycle production Division of BRP, Bombardier Recreational Products, a Canadian corporation).
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My 1973 CCM (Canada Cycle & Motor Co. Ltd., founded in 1899) Mustang was a great bicycle.

Between 1983 and 1985, over 4,000 CCM (Clews Competition Machines, founded in 1971) motorcycles were licensed to export from the UK to North America badged as Can-Am (motorcycle production Division of BRP, Bombardier Recreational Products, a Canadian corporation).
Ah yes. CCM bikes. I remember them. We had them in the maritimes.

Interesting.... I wonder if Can Am will be the dealer of the CCM 450?
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CCM Motorcycles are now being distributed in Canada by Motorsports Canada.

http://www.motorsportscanada.ca/ccmdealers.html

It’s powered by the liquid-cooled 450 cc single that BMW brought to market a few years ago to use in their enduro bikes. Those machines have been discontinued, so now CCM has access to the made-in-Taiwan engine.

The bike has a five-speed transmission, and has been re-tuned to make 40 hp at 7000 rpm, 32 ft-lbs of torque at 6500 rpm. The lower state of tune means maintenance intervals have been lengthened from the original BMW specs. It has a four-valve head, and the valves are titanium. Maximum speed is 145 kph, so it should be able to pull highway speed all day.

http://canadamotoguide.com/2013/09/1...ming-canada/#_


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Here is a pic of the CCM at the motorcycle show in Edmonton this spring.



Work of art. Check out the lightweight billet aluminium frame and the swing arm pivot inline with the front sprocket.

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Nothing new... The Milan bike show is not for another 6 days.

But there is significant talk about a KTM 390 adventure. It would appear that KTM hopes to steal some of CCMs thunder.

See Concept drawing:



135kg, 44hp?

It is so light, they forgot the fender...

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Everybodies piling on the ADV band wagon. Word is Royal Enfield is working on a 350 based bike for India use.

I do like the trend to the smaller displacement for what should be a off road bike. And the lighter the better I say. After having a KLR fall on you you'd think so as well.

Or was that look THEN leap?
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Everybodies piling on the ADV band wagon. Word is Royal Enfield is working on a 350 based bike for India use.

I do like the trend to the smaller displacement for what should be a off road bike. And the lighter the better I say. After having a KLR fall on you you'd think so as well.
Betcha the 350 will just be a "sleeved" 500, so NO lighter....

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