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Nice, but I'd rather have the XT660R available on this side of the pond.


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Both bikes look great. The XT660 looks like my 2008 XT250 on steroids...
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Honda may be trying to get it right, as well. if either one of these sees the market, i'll finally have the bike i've been wanting for years.
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Why can't they make that size bike with shaft drive and all the technology they put in the huge bikes?

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Why can't they make that size bike with shaft drive and all the technology they put in the huge bikes?
Price point maybe?

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I want a shaft drive FZ09 in a sport touring package.
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My 1977 Yamaha XS 750 Triple was technologically advanced for the day. It had drive shaft drive, triple disk brakes, self cancelling turn signals, redundant headlight and taillight bulbs, etc. It was a full up touring bike that would do 120 mph.

I for one don't need 120 hp to get me down the road, but I want the electronic aids and safety features that can only be had in those much more expensive bikes.

I would pay $10,000 for an 800cc versys with shaft drive, and TPMS, cruise, ABS, traction control, etc.

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Why can't they make that size bike with shaft drive and all the technology they put in the huge bikes?
Weight...?

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That can't be it. There were 700cc bikes with shaft drives in the '80s.

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The basic problem with adventure bikes like this is where do you ride them in North America? I've yet to see a dirt road that is longer than a 1-2 km and is anything more than the low traffic, dead end of a road. Unless you are going to take it to Africa, Alaska or the remote wilds of Northern Canada there just is not a lot of terrain that lends itself to adventure riding anywhere near the populated parts of North America.

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That can't be it. There were 700cc bikes with shaft drives in the '80s.
Yup, and I had ONE. A 1977 Yamaha XS750 Triple. Weighed 511# dry-weight. I rode it on some dirt when I had it, as I also raced FIM enduros in Ontario and Quebec.

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The basic problem with adventure bikes like this is where do you ride them in North America? I've yet to see a dirt road that is longer than a 1-2 km and is anything more than the low traffic, dead end of a road. Unless you are going to take it to Africa, Alaska or the remote wilds of Northern Canada there just is not a lot of terrain that lends itself to adventure riding anywhere near the populated parts of North America.
I just "Googled" for the proportion of paved to unpaved roads. In Canada (as of '04) ONLY 39.87% paved, while the US was (in '05) at 65.74% paved, which means that slightly OVER 1/3 of US roads are NOT paved!

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There's LOTS of dirt out there - you just need to LOOK for it!

FWIW - jdrocks regularly comes "North of 49" to ride 1,000s of kms of gravel, FAST!!!

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Yup, and I had ONE. A 1977 Yamaha XS750 Triple. Weighed 511# dry-weight. I rode it on some dirt when I had it, as I also raced FIM enduros in Ontario and Quebec.



I just "Googled" for the proportion of paved to unpaved roads. In Canada (as of '04) ONLY 39.87% paved, while the US was (in '05) at 65.74% paved, which means that slightly OVER 1/3 of US roads are NOT paved!

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There's LOTS of dirt out there - you just need to LOOK for it!

FWIW - jdrocks regularly comes "North of 49" to ride 1,000s of kms of gravel, FAST!!!

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Those stats are obviously incorrect. I've lived in four provinces during my life and have been exploring remote areas on my bike for years, I have yet to discover a dirt road that is more than a few kilometers long and 90% of those are dead end roads. If a road has any function or importance it gets paved. Obviously things may be different in truly remote regions 100's of kms from civilisation, but not in Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick or Ontario where I have lived. If I wanted to ride more than 10 min. on a dirt roads without turning around and covering the same section again, or getting back on pavement, it simply would not be possible. Please tell me were those 1000's of kilometers of dirt and gravel roads are.

My point is that to use an Adventure Touring as intended is virtually impossible within a ~250 mile radius of most cities or town in North America.

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Those stats are obviously incorrect. I've lived in four provinces during my life and have been exploring remote areas on my bike for years, I have yet to discover a dirt road that is more than a few kilometers long and 90% of those are dead end roads. If a road has any function or importance it gets paved. Obviously things may be different in the remote north but not in Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick or Ontario where I have lived. Please tell me were those 1000's of kilometers of dirt and gravel roads are.
Here is one that's at least 100km of dirt/gravel.
Edgewood to Grand Forks

Another one that I discovered by accident as my GPS was set to most direct route (fantastic road)
Trail Creek Rd

I think in NA there is no need to get off pavement to reach your destination but the back roads are there if you go looking for them. You may never be more than 20 miles from civilization but you can still cross most of the country on roads like this if you wish. There is the TAT in USA and some folks were working on a cross Canada trail as well I remember.
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I can string together 30 miles of dirt roads within a mile of my house. The paved roads that connect them are for the most part barely paved and only a lane and a half wide. We also have wildlife management areas with miles and miles of gravel and dirt roads. Guess you need to come south.

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