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KLR650 Newish Editionish

Anyone have more specific specs for the "new" KLR?

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Yeah I saw that, but couldnt really tell any real suspension upgrades like they talk about, is it all new shock and spring? I see the new seat and all.. just curious.

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The newish edition KLR looks remarkably identical to the oldish edition. I'm kinda surprised Kawasaki has not got around to doing a complete redesign. In a recent comparison of similar motorcycles by MCN it finished WAY behind the KTM and Husqvarna. Just the fact it is a 25+ year old design means there is a lot of modern advancements to suspensions, chassis and engines that could be incorporated into this bike to make it better. The KLR for instance still uses a steel perimeter frame chassis, hydraulic damping rod forks, and a carbed engine and analogue gauges.

I think the market is there for a more refined 650cc 50/50 off road and street adv bike from a Japanese manufacturer.

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I would love to see them somehow throw the 650 twin in it, but at the same time its great for what it is.

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The newish edition KLR looks remarkably identical to the oldish edition. I'm kinda surprised Kawasaki has not got around to doing a complete redesign. In a recent comparison of similar motorcycles by MCN it finished WAY behind the KTM and Husqvarna. Just the fact it is a 25+ year old design means there is a lot of modern advancements to suspensions, chassis and engines that could be incorporated into this bike to make it better. The KLR for instance still uses a steel perimeter frame chassis, hydraulic damping rod forks, and a carbed engine and analogue gauges.

I think the market is there for a more refined 650cc 50/50 off road and street adv bike from a Japanese manufacturer.
What I liked about the KLR is that it is a basic low cost platform that can be improved upon by the individual who might have a greater need than the average rider. Mine had Race Tech GVE and springs up front, Cogent Moab shock, HIDs, bash plates and crash bars, luggage, etc. All that without braking the bank.

Then I bought the KLX250s which supposedly has better suspension out of the box and MSRP'd for not much less than my '08 KLR. The suspension is harsh, and I am hesitant to buy new suspension because this suspension is completely adjustable.

How much more does a KTM or Husky cost over the KLR and are they adventure style bikes or street legal dirt bikes. I do miss the KLR from time to time and now that my neighbor has totaled it I won't be seeing it anymore.

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They are missing out on part of the market by not upgrading the looks of the "ugly pug" to suit today's ADV 'bike looks, also, I see nothing about them getting that Doohickey problem sorted out yet!!!

I would still have one though if my funds allowed it, but a second hand "farkled" one would be my only consideration.
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...also, I see nothing about them getting that Doohickey problem sorted out yet!!!
The second gen KLRs DO have an up-rated "Doo". Much better than the original, but uses the same spring (a 'tension' spring which limits its travel), and is a 'looser' fit than the aftermarket Eagle Mike Doo, so for a few $ you upgrade the Doo and add the torsion spring. THEN it's bullet-proof!

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The second gen KLRs DO have an up-rated "Doo". Much better than the original, but uses the same spring (a 'tension' spring which limits its travel), and is a 'looser' fit than the aftermarket Eagle Mike Doo, so for a few $ you upgrade the Doo and add the torsion spring. THEN it's bullet-proof!
Yes I know about the 2nd gen upgrade Eddie, but on a $7k motorbike something they could remedy for about $1 still hasn't been fully addressed!
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They are missing out on part of the market by not upgrading the looks of the "ugly pug" to suit today's ADV 'bike looks, also, I see nothing about them getting that Doohickey problem sorted out yet!!!

I would still have one though if my funds allowed it, but a second hand "farkled" one would be my only consideration.
Really? I like the looks of the 2nd gen KLRs. Here was mine.





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Yes I know about the 2nd gen upgrade Eddie, but on a $7k motorbike something they could remedy for about $1 still hasn't been fully addressed!
IF they sell 100,000 KLRs a year, that $1 comes to some SERIOUS change....

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I would love to see them somehow throw the 650 twin in it, but at the same time its great for what it is.
The whole KLR community has been chomping at the bit for Kawasaki to build a legitimate off road capable bike out of the Versys. I suspect Kawasaki hasn't done it because it would take a massive bite out of KLR sales. However, Kawasaki better build us the bike we want before Yamaha builds a 700 Tenere based off the MT-07 & takes the very same bite out of KLR sales.

I wonder how much profit Kawasaki makes off it's KLR sales to the U.S. military? Kawasaki was the very last of the "Big Four" to build a four stroke MX bike & the military contract for KLRs may make Kawasaki the last to give us a legitimate MODERN dual sport bike, be it a single or a twin.
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IF they sell 100,000 KLRs a year, that $1 comes to some SERIOUS change....

And most buyers wouldn't even notice if Kawasaki bumped the price up by $2, resulting in SERIOUS profit.

I really can't see any reason they don't fix it.
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The newish edition KLR looks remarkably identical to the oldish edition. I'm kinda surprised Kawasaki has not got around to doing a complete redesign. In a recent comparison of similar motorcycles by MCN it finished WAY behind the KTM and Husqvarna. Just the fact it is a 25+ year old design means there is a lot of modern advancements to suspensions, chassis and engines that could be incorporated into this bike to make it better. The KLR for instance still uses a steel perimeter frame chassis, hydraulic damping rod forks, and a carbed engine and analogue gauges.

I think the market is there for a more refined 650cc 50/50 off road and street adv bike from a Japanese manufacturer.
It's fun to dream about such a bike, but I'm sure Kawasaki has considered it and concluded at this time it's just not worth it. The KLR fills a niche, and they don't need to keep updating it every couple of years to keep up with (or stay ahead of) The Europeans. I'm sure if they COULD, KTM and Husqvarna, would like to buid a bike that competes with the KLR in profit margins.

I guess all the same things could (and have been) said about the Versys, yet here we all are, on a Kawasaki Versys forum.

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One great improvement for each bike. Give the KLR a 6-speed tranny and give the Versys a 19" front wheel.


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One great improvement for each bike. Give the KLR a 6-speed tranny and give the Versys a 19" front wheel.
A 19" front wheel is fine for you off-road riders, but I like the quick handling road manners of the stocker. I know a lot of folk consider the V as an ADV bike, but seriously it isn't, compared to real ADV bikes, unless a lot of $$$ is thrown at it.

Maybe offer wired off-road sizes as an option?
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Sorry, I haven't been on to see this. The 2014.5 KLR650 was at last week-ends Phoenix IMS event & demo rides. I spent some time on the bike and the difference is very noticeable between the suspension upgrades and new seat.

The seat is narrower at the front making it easier to touch the ground and the rear section is 1" wider....definitely more comfortable.
The new front fork springs are 40% firmer plus the revised rebound damping rates are 27% firmer. The new rear suspension offers 63% higher spring rate plus revised damping settings that are 83% firmer.

I'd say the new suspension springs and firmer rebound damping should offer more composure and reduced fork dive when ridden hard. It also offers improved bottoming resistance when ridden over rough terrain.

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Perfect, thats what I was wondering, the dealer wasnt sure on the exact specs of the suspension. Im seriously considering one to put along side my V. No way Im selling the V though!

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