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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 12-06-2018, 04:53 PM Thread Starter
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New Triumph Speed Twin

Just found this. At first sight, it looks like a good, fun, sporting ride.

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Nice, but too much power for a naked upright bike IMO. At least with the Thruxton you are leaning into the wind.

I'd much prefer a '14 Scrambler with the air cooled 270 degree crank engine.

Personally I don't understand the need for more power. The speed limits on the roads hasn't increased. Sure, people have gotten heavier so there is that.

Improvements in frame technology and suspension and braking are the important factors IMO.

But, I guess I do not represent the typical American male motorcycle buyer.

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Nice, but too much power for a naked upright bike IMO.

Personally I don't understand the need for more power.
A few needs:

Need for speed. Adrenalin junkies need a fix. Gotta get my arms stretched. Smoke that tire. Lift that front wheel. My teeth need a few more bugs in em...Lol.

While I am quite happy with my little V-650 there are times I do miss the power of a bigger bike. Many of those I listed above.
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A few needs:

Need for speed. Adrenalin junkies need a fix. Gotta get my arms stretched. Smoke that tire. Lift that front wheel. My teeth need a few more bugs in em...Lol.

While I am quite happy with my little V-650 there are times I do miss the power of a bigger bike. Many of those I listed above.

Swap out those sprockets. That will get you all the items you listed while keeping your speeds within the legal limits.

I never experienced the available HP on the majority of my larger displacement bikes except in a few second spurts because that is all it took to get to "go directly to jail" speeds.

Seems like you have to pay for the power to get the rest of the refinements I mentioned in my post though so I guess that is the trade-off.

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I too would like a bit more power. On a naked bike, the power is less likely to result in very high speed, at least it is for me. Way different with a full fairing and decent screen.

My Concours, with a Rifle screen, had the best wind protection of any bike I've owned. That factor, plus the approximately 100 HP, found me cruising at speeds that could cost me my license.

That and the weight were the reason I got a Versys. Slows me down and still has great handling, plus it's a bike that I can push around my garage without fear of dropping it. I needed an extra person to help me push the Connie up the ramp onto my bike lift for maintenance.

All considered I would still like to own the new Speed Twin. I love the looks of the Thruxton but the forward leaning riding position would have my old bones screaming in very short order.
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The places I ride I don't see the Poe very often and yes I tend to ride fairly fast.

Hard to get the racer out of the man.

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The ORIGINAL "SPEED TWIN" was a 500cc bike w/ about 30 hp, then the 650cc version Bonneville had 40 hp, weighing an advertised 390 pounds, give-or-take a few.

Give us LIGHT WEIGHT, NOT more unusable power! (My humble opinion....)

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The places I ride I don't see the Poe very often and yes I tend to ride fairly fast.

Hard to get the racer out of the man.
Age and eyesight have tempered my fast riding but the urge still remains.

A law-abiding rider in town, but on select local roads with tasty curves that I know well, that urge is satisfied. Keep the revs on the boil, engine braking and throttle, shift body and, on a good day, smooth, in synch.

If the desire to see what your V can do standing start to top end, there is a local road for that too, given the time of day and weather.

Local knowledge is the best. Ride within your limits.
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...If the desire to see what your V can do standing start to top end, there is a local road for that too, given the time of day and weather....
Smiley - so WHAT is the top speed? How LONG to get there?


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Nice, but too much power for a naked upright bike IMO. At least with the Thruxton you are leaning into the wind.

I'd much prefer a '14 Scrambler with the air cooled 270 degree crank engine.

Personally I don't understand the need for more power. The speed limits on the roads hasn't increased. Sure, people have gotten heavier so there is that.

Improvements in frame technology and suspension and braking are the important factors IMO.

But, I guess I do not represent the typical American male motorcycle buyer.

This begs the question, what's need got to do with it?

Do we even really need a motorcycle? My answer is yes, BTW.

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And most of Canada too, eh?
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Smiley - so WHAT is the top speed? How LONG to get there?

Not that I'd admit it but my alter ego told me that he has had my V up to just shy of 190 kph (118mph). Not sure how long it took me- I mean him- but it was accomplished on a very slightly downward sloping two-kilometre stretch of road with no wind, 16 tooth front sprocket, no bags. In full riding gear, I weigh about 190-195 depending on burrito intake.

It's been said that the V speedometer is quite close to accurate with 16 tooth front, but I don't have GPS to confirm. It's also a bit difficult to read the speedo with chin bar of the helmet on the gas tank, but I- I mean he- has seen that several times on two different roads.

Best to leave it in 5th gear to around 10K rpm. There might have been a bit more but a distant crossroad demands shutting down for safety.

Anybody else have a top end report?
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Supposedly they can just make it past the 200kmh mark. I'll find out next Spring.

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Given enough road and proper conditions, it just may make that 200kph and more (true speed, not indicated) but I sure wouldn't attempt it on the highway in that video with traffic!

Having bigger balls than brains is not the ideal combo.
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Given enough road and proper conditions, it just may make that 200kph and more (true speed, not indicated) but I sure wouldn't attempt it on the highway in that video with traffic!

Having bigger balls than brains is not the ideal combo.
Agreed! There is a time and a place to perform certain.. experiments.

I'm going to sell my C14, I find it way too easy to get into those silly speeds with it.

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Triumph should have made the original 500 as a re-birth of the good old days of big bike.
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One of the car magazine writers (sorry don't recall which one) writes about the "Turbo Hyabusa Effect". Basically, an addiction to power if not sheer speed.

The Versys would be an ideal motorbike with 90 BHP and slimmed by 20 kg. It's pretty good as it is but, yes, more power would be better.
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Im with Eddie,I would be interested in spending money to shed weight.How many more HP would you gain by dropping 150 lbs from a 500 lb motorcycle? If you look at the world of pedal bicycles you can see what modern, lightweight components can do for ease of power. Cars nowadays weigh half of what they did in the all iron age, not that long ago. Motorcycles are sold as sexy and horsepower is what sells them, thats where their engineering dollars go. Be interesting to see what the future holds with stuff like Graphene coming down the pipe.
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I just read the Revzilla reviews of the new Triumph 1200 Scramblers, XC and XE.

Seem to be VG, and look great TOO!

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A very short video review of new Scrambler XE "...much better off-road than the BMW R1200 GS. It's a true scrambler."


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This begs the question, what's need got to do with it?

Do we even really need a motorcycle? My answer is yes, BTW.

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It is really a psychological question.

If the manufacturers gave us upgraded suspension, frame, brakes, wheels, etc. in a lighter package that cost 30% more but kept the power the same, would the masses buy it?

Makes one think that manufacturer marketing folks think all we care about is more power.

Of course motojournalists feed the fire and desire for more power.

Oh, and I don't NEED a motorcycle. It is definitely a want. Just like I don't need any vehicle more than a budget commuter. I find it sad when people get sucked in by their desires and become enslaved by monthly payments.

The son of a coworker got sucked into buying a fancy new truck that he quickly realized he couldn't afford once he found out what is monthly insurance and registration payments would be on top of the vehicle payment. He would be working to make payments and could only afford to go to work and back home. Of course, my coworker bailed him out by switching trucks with him and now my coworker has a truck he is paying for that he doesn't really want. This happens every day here in the US with our slick advertising and marketing concepts designed to take advantage of people.

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