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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 01-18-2011, 06:38 PM Thread Starter
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I joined the Multistrada forum, to ask a question about an ebay MTS that I won't be bidding on. Talk about a history of issues! Hopefully the 2010 is past the earlier issues, valve guides replaced, expanding gas tank(??) And they call the seat on the 2004, the "board". But, there is something alluring about the Italian machines, just like Ferrari. Can't afford to maintain one of those mistresses either.

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There is a lot of improvement between 1200MS and earlier models.

Ducatis aren't as thin-skinned as they once were. Still a handful compared to Japanese moto, though.
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Yes you are right, I haven't seen anything but stellar reviews of the 1200. The biggest thing that stands out is the horsepower. It's amazing that the 1100 has 90+ and the 1200 has around 150! That alone would explain the fact that 1000 and 1100 MTS are plentiful on ebay. It's better looking as a bonus, but I don't like the beak personally.

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I drooled over the glamor photos of the 1200MS but when I saw one in person it fell far short of expectations. Not as ugly as a GS (that one seems to be designed to be ugly on purpose) but ill proportioned, to my eye at least. I talked to the guy who was riding it and after he went on about how great it was he started to tell me some other things. It was going back to the dealer again for another new fuel map. Motorcycle Consumer News complained about the fuel mapping as well. The dealer was going to take the digital display off a bike on the floor so he didn't have to wait for the replacement (his died) to be shipped from Italy. He had a time getting the pannier door to line up so he could close it.

Powerful, outrageously styled, electronically adjustable everything, built in flexibility at the push of a button, and way too many issues for me. I'd rather ride somewhere other than back to the dealership. Perhaps if I had stacks of stupid money laying and all kinds of time to ride several bikes, I'd have a Ducati.

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I tend to agree. I wouldnt want to just jump on this thing for an around the world voyage. However, I wouldnt use this bike for that anyway.

Have you rode one? OMG! The Power is Awesome!
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I tend to agree. I wouldnt want to just jump on this thing for an around the world voyage. However, I wouldnt use this bike for that anyway.

Have you rode one? OMG! The Power is Awesome!
No, I haven't ridden one, but I bet it's fun.

One of my riding buddies says when it comes to Ducatis there are three kinds of people: (1) people who want one, (2) former owners who had enough with the cost and hassle, and (3) current owners who put up with the cost and hassle. So far I'm in category (1) and still very happy with my Kawasaki and my Honda.

Years ago when was looking at new sport touring bikes I looked at the R1150RT, ST2, and ST1100. The RT was a disappointment, mostly due to the motor. The ST2 was the first Ducati I'd ever looked at, and it was at the same dealer as the ST1100. The riding position seemed too aggressive for long distance riding, but there was something about it I really liked...sleek and compact. I asked the service manager about the cost and frequency of service of the two ST's and he answered a question with a question: "What kind of bikes have you had before?" I said all Hondas. He said I'd be getting to know him on a first-name basis with a Ducati, not to dissuade me, but if I was used to Honda service intervals, cost, and overall reliability I'd be in for some surprises, like $800 valve adjustments every 6,000 miles and waiting weeks for parts when something breaks which will happen. About a year later I bought an ST1300 which I still have. It's not the same animal as a Ducati ST but it's better suited to my riding style. In 8 years the only problem I've had was one of the OEM heated grips died and Honda replaced both at no charge.

I've put something close to 150,000 miles on Hondas and one Kawasaki. In all those miles I've had two electrical failures, neither of which kept me from where I was going, and no mechanical failures. Perhaps there are people who have had that kind luck with Ducatis but I haven't met them.

Like I said, someday if I have stacks of stupid money to burn on motorcycles, a Ducati or two would be fun. In my real world, however, any added value isn't worth the added expense and hassle I so frequently hear about from people in categories (2) and (3) from above.


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Some say you never own a Ducati, you only watch over it until the next owner takes over. In other words, I'd say the thing you own(exotic machine) might just own you. I can't afford the dealer maintenance on the Ducati, with a dealer 150 miles away.

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My friend Victor had a 900 Super Sport. What a sound! He had regular problems with it and one weekend at a BMW rally we were attending he had to raise the tank and remove some parts and tweak something to get it running again. I asked him if it was worth all that effort to keep a Ducati running. He replied, "The candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long."


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Sounds like Ducatis are a bit like boats. They say there are two great moments in a boat owner's life. The day he buys the boat, and the day he finally sells it.

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I rode the new MTS1200 on a recent Ducati Demo Day and can't seem to get it out of my head. Wonderful machine . . . .provided all is working well.

I could possibly have one in my possession within a month or so since I have a buyer for the sailboat that I don't use and believe my Versys would move quickly as well.

However I cannot seem to do the deed since my 08' Versys has been such a gem to ride and maintain. Even though I would be able to just transfer the assets without any additional pocket expense, my reluctance comes from knowing the complexity of the new Multis is sure to require alot of attention.

On an aircraft mechanic's pay with 3 little ones to provide for, the long term ownership of a Ducati would be a stretch. The maintenance doesn't frighten me but acquiring speciallized tooling does.

Decisions . . . .decisions. Hardest ones are when the loss/gain scale tips balanced either way.

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Little ones won't be little forever, but there will Ducatis down the road.


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Sounds like Ducatis are a bit like boats. They say there are two great moments in a boat owner's life. The day he buys the boat, and the day he finally sells it.
They ALSO say: A boat is a hole in the water that you pour $$$ into!

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I used to have a Multistrada 620, but ended up selling it last summer. It was a nice bike but had some problems, and the parts took forever to get from the Mother Land. If you want to own a Ducati, you better have a good dealer near you that is willing to help work through issues the bike will have. Here in Houston we have only 2 dealers and both are beyond worthless at anything more than an oil change. That was the main reason I sold my Multi.

The new Multi is nice, but waaaaaaaay to many electrical doo-dads to be considered reliable IMO. The Multi 620 was very, very much like the Versys – Versys had better/softer suspension and seating position, while the Multi 620 had very firm suspension that was non adjustable. I know of several 1st generation Multistrada owners that are strongly looking at the Super Tenere to replace their 1000/1100 Multis rather than buy the new Multi 1200.

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I was told by my Dealer that the MS1200 needs less maintenance than an R1200GS. I never verified, but that is what they told me. If you really want a bike to stay away from, Stay away from a KTM 950 adventure. Bike is full of quirks.
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Little ones won't be little forever, but there will Ducatis down the road.
My little ones are first, which is why my riding/fix is mostly a 40 minute commute or any errand running when solo. Riding to work doesn't interfere with family time.

Was just thinking since no other family members seem to take to sailing with me, I would sell the boat and reallocate the funds toward a new Multi.

My "hopes" would be that the MTS1200 would pick up the fun factor. However seeing some of the headaches new owners are experiencing, that would surely detract from that.

My faithful "Girl Next Door" Versys or the volatile "Italian Supermodel" relationship. Voluntary simplicity has its rewards.
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My faithful "Girl Next Door" Versys or the volatile "Italian Supermodel" relationship. Voluntary simplicity has its rewards.
That's an interesting way to phrase it. As I look at the lovely Mrs Bones, who is sitting across from me now and has been my #1 for 18 years, I can tell you that the faithful girl next door is the way to go for a long and satisfying relationship. I don't know how many "volatile supermodel" types say "Sure, have a nice ride" when I say "I'm thinking about riding to [insert distant location] for a few days."

That 1200MS is a technological and performance tour-de-force with capabilities far beyond my ability to access them. My Versys gives me what I like and what I need in my real world. Wish I was riding it today instead of shoveling more snow.


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I love to share my $.02 on this forum because we have such interesting and civil members who share a common bond of motorcycles in general and Versi in particular. I hope members appreciate that when I offer opinions of other bikes that they're just my opinions based on my experience. If they're critical, they're not intended to be swipes at what other people choose.

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I love to share my $.02 on this forum because we have such interesting and civil members who share a common bond of motorcycles in general and Versi in particular. I hope members appreciate that when I offer opinions of other bikes that they're just my opinions based on my experience. If they're critical, they're not intended to be swipes at what other people choose.

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Well said, afterall, that is what a forum is, a place for voicing opinions and sharing information. Different strokes, as they say. I like to look at Ducatis, BMWs, and Ferrari, Porsches, etc. Just can't imagine paying those prices when you can have just as much fun on the Kawasaki.

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I like to look at Ducatis, BMWs, and Ferrari, Porsches, etc. Just can't imagine paying those prices when you can have just as much fun on the Kawasaki.
If you've never experienced this kind of machinery, you can't know what it's really like. I use my Versys a lot for everyday travel and errands, and like it very much, but on Sunday mornings the Duc comes out. It's an entirely different experience. If you can arrange for a demo ride on one, you'll understand.


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Yes, you are right I have not experienced the Ducati. If I could afford one, that would be a great second bike. I would also like a dual sport and a touring bike. Have to win the lottery first!
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