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post #1 of 3 (permalink) Old 04-08-2019, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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hi all,

does anyone here have any knowledge of this device (electronic data recorder)? i've been reading that some manufacturers, like honda and kawasaki, have been putting these recording devices on some of their bike since maybe 2015. supposedly, they record 30 seconds of engine parms, speed, lean, braking info in a loop. it may reset when the bike is started.

anyone with firsthand knowledge of how this works, how it may have affected a warranty claim, how it may have affected a court case involving a motorcycle?

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Basically, this type of hardware has been included in cars and light trucks since somewhere around 2004, and large trucks for as long as I can think of.

GM vehicles have had some kind of event recording since the 80s, if only for diagnostic purposes. As technology has improved, so has the ability for on board computers to record events.

To give you an example, the trucks I drive at work record pretty much everything. Turn signals, speed, rpm, brake pressure, headlamp settings, seat belt usage... Some record window and mirror positions. ABS and traction control data are all fully recorded. They can tell how far each tire spun or skidded in relation to rolling tires and/or GPS positioning. They know steering wheel position and g-forces leading up to and during events. The trucks I drive even know how far ahead the next vehicle was and their speed.

Unless you are a total squid, the amount of data recorded on your bike will help you far more than hurt you in a court case. Just like that camera you know you should have running on your helmet.

There were some cases where GM rejected warranty claims after recorded data demonstrated clear negligence and abuse on the part of the operator, but those were expensive cases to win.

I've heard word stories about how motorcycle dealers handle warranty claims, and my only claim was a little odd (not something that could have been recorded by a data recorder). Generally, dealers are in business to make money. If they can submit your warranty claim to the manufacturer and get paid, they want as little to do with extracting and investigating the fine details as possible.

That said, if you've done something that clearly violates the terms of your warranty, like flashing the ecu to have no redline, then blow your motor up by over revving it, I'd expect problems. But, if your bike blew up while rolling hard on the throttle after a hard corner, or as the result of evasive maneuvers brought on by a pair of texting prius drivers trying to change lanes into each other in the space you currently occupy (not that that ever happens...), you should be fine.

Consider the economics of manufacturers fighting warranty claims. How much are the parts and labor to fix your bike compared to the cost of flying their attorney to your location, then paying him to beat you in court?

How much to motorcycle accident lawyers charge up front when going after deep pockets (think:contingency)?

Data recorders are really good at protecting consumers who just go about their normal, daily lives.
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i've known about cars having them for a few years now...

appreciate the opinion, 52....

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