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And the end is near! Dam it! Iwas just gettin good at life!

AI, AI, AI, whatever!

If its not the weather.........its..........AI.

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I've been pretty darn happy with life so far!

Do you think this is possible?





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...Do you think this is possible?
Possible? Yes.

Likely? No.

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Ive seen the terminator movies to
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Possible? Yes.

Likely? No.
Not in our life time! LOL

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Ive seen the terminator movies to
It does make you think of those movies! Sky Net or whatever it was called!





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the real question here is: why would an artificial intelligence WANT to take over the world? the need for power and/or control seems to be a human thing...what's the "gain" for this intelligence in taking control? the assumption is this intelligence will be "evil"..which may be in fact be true considering it's MANmade...will this intelligence be smart enough to know if it's being evil or being used for evil??? will it care? will the world become "I have no mouth and want to scream" (a good short story on this subject)...will this super smart intelligence finally prove what a farce climate change is? stay tuned in..same time same channel...

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Agree that AI has no need for power and control but it may as it some movies decide on a logical equation, humans + earth = earths destruction, corrected equation, remove humans = earth plus many other species will live.
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"Carbon units infesting Earth!"... "Must destroy carbon units!"
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Although no one will argue that Steven Hawking is not an amazingly bright astrophysicist but computers are not his area of expertise.

In the context of current software technology AI is a fancy name for any software that makes a decision based on input. For instance facial recognition software used in video surveillance is AI software. Google translate is AI software. AI software does does not possess self awareness, it is simply a series of computer commands to come up with a result and emulate human reasoning based on filtering criteria the programmer has used. For now software that can think for itself is pure science fiction with the current hardware and software design paradigm (binary logic), that has not changed in over a 100 years. It was invented long before the first computer was built by the British in WW2.

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I like your logic twowheels!

How could a program think?





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I thought you were getting married.
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This makes me think of the Borg from Star Trek!





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Here is an interesting thought I pulled from another site, on this subject:

disqus_Tgv8PPb9Oy • 21 hours ago

I think that what Hawking overlooks is that if artificial intelligences are created, and they keep evolving themselves, then, in time, they will become so far advanced that they will have nothing in common with us anymore, and will simply seek to leave the Earth behind to go in search of esoteric knowledge that they can only find in other parts of the Universe. To me, that says that there will never be any conflict between mankind and such intelligences, since we will have gone in completely different directions as far as our interests and evolution are concerned.

Mac Wiseley > disqus_Tgv8PPb9Oy • 18 hours ago

tell that to the primates we evolved in tangent with. I'm pretty sure we conflict with their environment and way of life from their point of view, regardless of our relatively lofty knowledge and advanced ways by comparison.


RADICAL IDEAS GROUP > disqus_Tgv8PPb9Oy • 9 hours ago

Robots have already journeyed beyond this planet! Who says that 'they' didn't manipulate humans to create them in order so they could 'leave the Earth behind to go in search of esoteric knowledge that they can only find in other parts of the Universe'?


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Here's something to keep your mind off what could happen 500 years from now...



"NSA - THREAT OF CYBERATTACKS ON OUR ELECTRIC GRID, December 3, 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — China and "one or two" other countries are capable of mounting cyberattacks that would shut down the electric grid and other critical systems in parts of the United States, according to Adm. Michael Rogers, director of the National Security Agency and head of U.S. Cyber Command.

The possibility of such cyberattacks by U.S. adversaries has been widely known, but never confirmed publicly by the nation's top cyber official.

At a hearing of the House intelligence committee, Rogers said U.S. adversaries are performing electronic "reconnaissance" on a regular basis so that they can be in a position to disrupt the industrial control systems that run everything from chemical facilities to water treatment plants.

"All of that leads me to believe it is only a matter of when, not if, we are going to see something dramatic," he said.

Outside experts say the U.S. Cyber Command also has the capability to hack into and damage critical infrastructure, which in theory should amount to mutual deterrence. But Rogers, who did not address his offensive cyber tools, said the nuclear deterrence model did not necessarily apply to cyberattacks.

Only a handful of countries had nuclear capability during the Cold War, he said, and nuclear attacks could be detected and attributed in time to retaliate.

By contrast, the source of a cyberattack can easily be disguised, and the capability do significant damage is possessed not only by nation states but by criminal groups and individuals, Rogers noted.

In cyberspace, "You can literally do almost anything you want, and there is not a price to pay for it," the NSA director said.

Roger's remarks about critical infrastructure attacks came in response to questioning from Republican Mike Rogers of Michigan, who chairs the intelligence committee. He asked the NSA director about a private report detailing China-based intrusions into the power grid and other critical systems that appeared to be precursors to attack. What other countries, the chairman wanted to know, have the capability?

"One or two others," the NSA director said, but he declined to name them, saying the information is classified. "We're watching multiple nation states invest in this capability."

Rogers said the Obama administration is seeking to establish a set of international principles governing military cyber operations, such as banning attacks on hospitals.

"We need to define what would be offensive, what's an act of war," he said.

The NSA's Rogers also talked about the national security damage from the ongoing theft of intellectual property through cyberattacks.

Michigan's Rogers opened the hearing by saying that "China's economic cyber espionage ... has grown exponentially in terms of volume and damage done to our nation's economic future. The Chinese intelligence services that conduct these attacks have little to fear because we have no practical deterrents to that theft. This problem is not going away until that changes."

China formally denies stealing Western intellectual property through government sponsored hacking.

U.S. networks would be better protected, the NSA's Rogers said, if Congress would pass a long-pending bill to allow companies to share malware signatures and other threat information with one another and with the government and be protected from liability by doing so. But the disclosures of NSA spying by former agency contractor Edward Snowden have made passage of such a bill extremely difficult, lawmakers say."
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it should be noted that steve hawkings' expertise is astrophysics and NOT computer science...
Now bow to your computer masters...

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The machines have already used us! Interesting! . . . from trailsguy . . R.I.G.

In the Story of B. Fiction and Fact. We are self imploding at an unstoppable rate. Many do believe this including myself. "Just the food itself", Although I believe it will be in the 100 to 200 year range which leaves me out and the grand kids possibly in. Not the 50 year "Story of B", and we done and over with.

The factor left out is technology! Will it save us again?







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AI will not be the end of human life because computers will use us as slaves to take care of them.
Have you noticed the relationship smart phones have with human teens, it's already started.
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AI will not be the end of human life because computers will use us as slaves to take care of them.
Have you noticed the relationship smart phones have with human teens, it's already started.
Maybe it has already happened! Maybe they have us already plugged into a giant apparatus that taps into the energy source in our bodies, and we don't notice it because they have placed us in a perpetual dream state. This dream state is what we think is reality. But it's not.

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Maybe it has already happened! Maybe they have us already plugged into a giant apparatus that taps into the energy source in our bodies, and we don't notice it because they have placed us in a perpetual dream state. This dream state is what we think is reality. But it's not.



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You obviously took the red pill.


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It has started for sure! The youth are goners!

Can you feel the pull of the evil machines, and evil doers? LOL

Just so many unknowns! Must drink!

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