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Aussie fire conditions??

I know Brockie is from Australia, are there many others? Curious if the fires are as bad as media is showing? Looks to be disastrous? Hope all are safe!!
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I have a relative in OZ , right now she is on the Colorado River , rafting, she was in Tasmania , however her in-laws are just north east of Melbourne. New South Wales has declared a 7 day state of emergency. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/austr...cli/index.html I was there in 2013, many roads are flanked by trees and there are more tracts than roads in OZ , so escape by road is at present very dangerous.

There is a tourist leave zone;
https://twitter.com/NSWRFS/status/1212336600853733376

To make matters worse, there is a fuel shortage in some areas and no power, warnings have been issued about leaving without sufficient fuel .

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there's a slideshow with lots of pics toward the end of that link. Wow, truly looks like hell on earth. So sad.
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Firefighters from several provinces have been sent to help.
https://vancouversun.com/news/more-b...alia-wildfires
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It is a disaster. I am way north of where the current hotspots are but for the three weeks before Xmas I could not see the horizon for smoke. Sometimes visibility was down to 2-3 kms. There were at the time some 70 fires in Queensland alone. The closest was 15kms east but the dangerous, larger fire was 30 kms west, and there was another 35-40 kms north-east.

The Firies have been run ragged for weeks, and the Rural Fire Service is mostly staffed by volunteers.

The recent out of control area are the fires in south east NSW, including a beautiful coastal town called Batemans Bay. I have been there. A river comes out to the coast, the main road is a bridge across the river mouth, the town is full of cafes, the river marina full of boats and yachts. Its a pretty spot. Last night and the night before the population spent the night camped on the beach. Some could not leave anyway as their vehicles had no fuel. The electricity is also out and the town was in darkness.

Today the smoke returned to my valley. I wonder where it is from?

The danger is widespread through many states and is not over exaggerated.
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The last update I saw said 20 dead, and the wildlife #'s were staggering. Hoping for a miracle. I can't even imagine the long term consequences!
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Be safe all you "down under" folks!
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We in the western part of N. America got a taste a couple of years ago of what happens when you have high summer heat, drought with strong winds and one spark in the wrong place. But nothing like what they're getting in Oz right now. Temperature in the 40s C and no rain in sight. Even if you get rain in that heat you need tons as there will be lightning and new fires combined with quick water evaporation. Their traditional fire season hasnt even started yet. The scariest thing Ive seen on the news from there are the "firenados", everything combines and its created its own optimum environment to super-burn, becoming a "living" thing. The folks there are looking for some help from Mother Nature and I sure hope they get it.
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I am way south of the fire zones (approx 440klms from the nearest fire) however this morning went outside and could smell smoke. Have a friend who is driving fron Victoria to Central New SOuth Wales Coast (avoiding the fire zones) - yesterday was driving through a town called Glenrowan (approx 170klms from nearest fire zone) - took the attached picture as they were driving..

So yes - the country is burning.

THis gives an current indication of the locations of fires: https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/
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I am way south of the fire zones (approx 440klms from the nearest fire) however this morning went outside and could smell smoke. Have a friend who is driving fron Victoria to Central New SOuth Wales Coast (avoiding the fire zones) - yesterday was driving through a town called Glenrowan (approx 170klms from nearest fire zone) - took the attached picture as they were driving..

So yes - the country is burning.

THis gives an current indication of the locations of fires: https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/
In a bizarre twist here in our long hot summer of fires we found that the smoky haze actually helped cool things down by blocking the sun. But breathing that stuff day after day was awful and dangerous to some. Very hard on the eyes too.
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When you look at that map you have to believe that we are doing something wrong.

There has for some time been debate on hazard reduction burning. Sure, we are in a drought (I have not mown my yard since August 2018!) but there is much talk about historical aboriginal burning practices where they would burn off grass regularly, without harming the trees - which had the twin effects of clearing accumulated fuel, and encouraging new grass growth which would then attract the animals and aid hunting.

Then there is the Greens political party which advocates the shutting down of huge tracts of reserves to preserve them for future generations. The state governments are constantly attacked on ecology issues. That they also wish to spend less also adds to the lack of activity and hazard reduction. So access to vast areas of "reserve" becomes limited as the tracks become overgrown.
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There has for some time been debate on hazard reduction burning. Sure, we are in a drought (I have not mown my yard since August 2018!) but there is much talk about historical aboriginal burning practices where they would burn off grass regularly, without harming the trees - which had the twin effects of clearing accumulated fuel, and encouraging new grass growth which would then attract the animals and aid hunting.
Very good point, controlled burning just like the fire-fighters do in an emergency. When the Chilcotin area here in B.C. was burning it turned out that the local indigenous people in that area have been doing that very thing regularly. Burnt ground fuel also fertilizes the soil for strong growth.Their authority on their land superseded the govt. fire avoidance laws and practices but I cant remember the outcome.
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A few facts from a story this morning, describing the devastation, and it is truly heartbreaking:

"About 480 million animals have died across NSW, professor Chris Dickman with the University of Sydney, estimates. "The true mortality is likely to be substantially higher than those estimated," the university said in a statement.
Almost a third of koalas in NSW may have been killed in the fires, and a third of their habitat has been destroyed, said Federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley.
In December, the smoke in Sydney was so bad that air quality measured 11 times the "hazardous" level.
In total, more than 14.7 million acres have been burned across the country's six states. That's larger than the countries of Belgium and Haiti combined.
Just in NSW, there have been more than 1,300 houses destroyed and 8.9 million acres scorched."
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Very good point, controlled burning just like the fire-fighters do in an emergency. When the Chilcotin area here in B.C. was burning it turned out that the local indigenous people in that area have been doing that very thing regularly. Burnt ground fuel also fertilizes the soil for strong growth.Their authority on their land superseded the govt. fire avoidance laws and practices but I cant remember the outcome.
There are actually species of plants / trees that require fire to release their seeds and start new growth. Humans wrongly think they can play god with the planet.

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And a little Aussie humour-


(look at the fencing wire, or overhead supply wires, just lying around.)
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It's very tragic what's going on in Australia with all the fires. I remember living in Socal and just about every time the dry desert Santa Ana winds would develop so would several fires. Often times the fires were deliberately set. Looks like this may be the case in Australia as well.

People who participate in this kind of criminal behavior should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and perhaps sterilized so they cannot reproduce.

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There are actually species of plants / trees that require fire to release their seeds and start new growth. Humans wrongly think they can play god with the planet.
Many of the native pines here need fire to trigger the seeds to be released from the cones. The extreme heat melts their sap enclosures I think. Mother nature has its own system of working with fires. In the words of Buffy St. Marie, "Mother Nature is perfection". This is one of the most profound statements Ive ever heard, something we need to learn to navigate our future here. As far as humans and fires, we are all over our overcrowded planet now and we need those trees. Think how hot those burned out forest areas will be next year without shade, and more heat is one thing this planet doesnt need at this time. I know what you mean about us playing God but in a way we must now I think. First we have to respect the planet as a species, its more important than dollars. One of the craziest things Ive ever seen.... riding down from snowy Mt. Rainier during our long hot dry burning summer two years ago east into the Yakima valley,always one of the hottest places around. They just had grass fires all over. The fields were black and charred except for the blue Sage bushes. They survived!
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...People who participate in this kind of criminal behavior should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and perhaps sterilized so they cannot reproduce....
I AGREE w/ you, but BETWEEN the eyes w/ something in .44 or .45 caliber!

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The Aussie fires are so bad that we get the smoke here in NZ.Some days visibility is down to 2km.We are over 2000km from Oz.Smoke is being seen in Chile on the other side of the Pacific.How far? look on a world map.
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NASA has predicted that the smoke from Aussie bush fires will circle the globe. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...-says/11863298
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