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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 07-16-2019, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
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And you thought lane splitting was dangerous...

https://abc7.com/chp-officer-struck-...rdino/5400014/

CHP routinely lane splits at 80+mph and runs traffic breaks by weaving across up to 6 lanes of freeway traffic and expecting every Prius driver to just see them and understand what they are doing (I don't like Prius drivers, BTW).

This guy got got. Sounds like he'll be OK.

I don't know if a Prius hit him or something else. I'll go with the assumption is was until I hear otherwise

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Its really disturbing when you see this kind of images, but that life of a two wheeler. You take the risk.

Putting 6 to 7K km a month on work travel , I do sometimes see this images right in front of me. I just say a prayer and move on.
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(I don't like Prius drivers, BTW).

I don't know if a Prius hit him or something else.
LMAO.

When I see a Prius the first thing that comes to mind is "There goes another planet saving Prius." Then one passes me on the freeway going about 90 and I say to myself, "Hey buddy you won't save the planet driving like that."

Sure some folks buy one to save gas and if it helps save the planet that's fine too. Actually the technology is pretty amazing when you think about it. Kinda like a diesel electric locomotive.

I must confess that I am not a big fan of hybrid cars and nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room...the dangerous, highly toxic batteries that every hybrid and electric car has. My son in law is a Captain for Cal Fire and you should hear the stories he tells about hybrid and electric cars. The batteries are a potential bomb and fire hazard in an accident. When someone is pined in and requires extraction the firemen have to be especially careful not to cut into one of the high amperage cables as they will fry you just like the electric chair.

After the highly toxic batteries give up the ghost they become the next super fund site on steroids.

Then you have the zero emission mantra. Really? I love to ask a electric driver how he likes his coal, nuclear, natural gas powered car? That electric juice has to come from somewhere.

Ok I will get off my soap box.

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i just call them prisses..... the name says it all.. !! LOL..

i thought long and hard about A zero SR a couple of years ago. the battery thing you mentioned, not to mention the initial cost, the governored top speed and the range just stopped me cold. but i did ride one on the freeway and it was impressive

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i just call them prisses..... the name says it all.. !! LOL..

i thought long and hard about A zero SR a couple of years ago. the battery thing you mentioned, not to mention the initial cost, the governored top speed and the range just stopped me cold. but i did ride one on the freeway and it was impressive

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Yea the electric vehicles are impressive. I have spent many laps at K1 speed in their electric go karts which are dialed down to around 70% power so folks don't go too fast.

But it is the new electric passenger cars that will pin you to the seat. I have ridden in the little Fiat 500. Sucker is like a little go kart. But the really impressive one is the Tesla. A buddy has the lower end one but don't think that the performance is lacking...holy cow that sucker goes like a scalded dog.

As cool as all that is I still like the sound and feel of a good o'l gas motor in both bikes and cars.

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LMAO.



When I see a Prius the first thing that comes to mind is "There goes another planet saving Prius." Then one passes me on the freeway going about 90 and I say to myself, "Hey buddy you won't save the planet driving like that."



Sure some folks buy one to save gas and if it helps save the planet that's fine too. Actually the technology is pretty amazing when you think about it. Kinda like a diesel electric locomotive.



I must confess that I am not a big fan of hybrid cars and nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room...the dangerous, highly toxic batteries that every hybrid and electric car has. My son in law is a Captain for Cal Fire and you should hear the stories he tells about hybrid and electric cars. The batteries are a potential bomb and fire hazard in an accident. When someone is pined in and requires extraction the firemen have to be especially careful not to cut into one of the high amperage cables as they will fry you just like the electric chair.



After the highly toxic batteries give up the ghost they become the next super fund site on steroids.



Then you have the zero emission mantra. Really? I love to ask a electric driver how he likes his coal, nuclear, natural gas powered car? That electric juice has to come from somewhere.



Ok I will get off my soap box.



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Ha! Reminding smug electric car drivers that nearly all electricity produced in California is greenest by burning natural gas, and the remainder is purchased from New Mexico"s coal plant.
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there's always a price to be paid somewhere, a trade-off somewhere, by someone ! LOL....
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there's always a price to be paid somewhere, a trade-off somewhere, by someone ! LOL....
Yep. Poor native American children are suffering with lifelong health issues in order for Californians to charge their cars.
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Not all Prius owners are tree huggers. If you will get over your predudices, you might find that they make economic sense. We have owned a Prius for 10 years and are about to get another one. That car still gets 45 to 55 mpg. It has been nearly trouble-free for @ 150K miles. It is no BMW, but it handles reasonably well in all conditions I have experienced.
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It's not a baseless prejudice built on ignorance or lack of experience. Quite the opposite, in fact.

There are outliers in any demographic. Not every single Prius owner is an innatentive, smug waste of skin and bones, but enough are to be reasonably assured if the experience I'll have with them.

Heh... My wife still kinda wants one. I told her I'm OK with it, but I'm keeping my anti-Prius sticker.
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Not all Prius owners are tree huggers. If you will get over your predudices, you might find that they make economic sense. We have owned a Prius for 10 years and are about to get another one. That car still gets 45 to 55 mpg. It has been nearly trouble-free for @ 150K miles. It is no BMW, but it handles reasonably well in all conditions I have experienced.
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Then you have the zero emission mantra. Really? I love to ask a electric driver how he likes his coal, nuclear, natural gas powered car? That electric juice has to come from somewhere.
I do not understand the antipathy towards this type of thing. And I don't think it's the zero sum game that you guys are making it out to be - at least, I've never seen anything to suggest that the grid is under anywhere near enough strain to lead to increased coal plant emissions. As far as nuclear goes, they just emit steam, correct?

I just don't get how people are mad at other people who try to live in a somewhat more environmentally friendly manner. I ride a bicycle to work as often as I can - part of the reason is that it does make a positive difference by not introducing more particulates in the air...but there's always someone who wants to point out that making bicycles, especially the carbon framed ones that I used to race, is not an environmentally friendly process. Yeah, fine...but again, it's not a zero sum game, it's a net positive. And I do what little I can...why does that upset any of you?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking any of the anti-Prius sentiment here personally...I don't get too bent out of shape over comments not even directed at me on the internet. But it is an attitude that I simply can't parse.
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It's not that we have anything against the idea of cleaner, more environmentally friendly transportation.

It's that it's all built on lies and the people buying into it think they are better than others for their ignorance.

I don't have a problem with the Prius generally. I think it was an interesting concept and I great way to help advance new technology. But it simply isn't the environmental savior smugs think it is. The batteries were horribly polluting to create, and will be even more so when disposal time comes around.

The real problem most people have with electric cars is the lies they are built on, and the attitudes of the people who buy them.

The original topic regarding the Prius as it relates to this thread is more pointed at the driving habits of those who drive them. I used to speak similarly of Accord drivers in the 90s.

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Ok, so over the course of the lifetime of a Prius, or Tesla, or Leaf, or whatever...the making of the battery is damaging enough to invalidate any gains gotten by putting fewer particulates in the air? I really don't know, and am asking. It feels like a trade off, but still far from zero sum.

As far as the environmental smugs...yeah, I don't think there are that many of them, or that Prius owners are constantly bringing that stuff up. It's like the vegan thing - everybody bitches about the self impressed vegans, but I know a few, used to be vegetarian myself, and it's mostly just people who don't know any vegans who say how awful they are.

Whatever. It's just another reason for Americans to hate other Americans. It genuinely makes me sad how the people of my home country view each other.
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'reason to hate other americans'? i sure dont take it that way. its nothing more that a difference of opinion and a discussion point as far as i am concerned. we are certainly doing that and thats always OK.

also, i dont think anyone here is 'mad' at anyone over this either. seems there is an over-sensitivity regarding anyone commenting about newer technology professing to be greener. i agree with most on here; they are not as 'green' as stated by a long shot, BUT, they are a step in a good direction that we need to take....

lets lose the sensitivity and just discuss it. opinions are fine too. we all have those!! ....
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You make some good points, Mr Sherman. There are many defenders of the ICE, in fact, we all do so simply by riding V's. But we must face the fact that sooner rather than later electric vehicles will be the main form of motive power. We only have to look at how nearly every major manufacturer is at least investing in the technology or are already producing electric-powered vehicles.

There are also many advances in alternative nuclear power plants and cheaper hydrogen production. The future will be electric with perhaps hydrogen power as an option, like it or not.

This thread has evolved into quite another topic, n'est pas? Hijacked again, but don't blame me!
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It has been said that in war the first casualty is truth and one could certainly apply this concept to the green movement.

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