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2 killed during memorial ride

I know a few people who were on this ride. My heart goes out to the families. Hard to believe more bikes weren't involved considering the amount of bikes.

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WESTMORELAND, N.H.

Two people were killed in a serious crash involving several motorcycles and a vehicle on Route 12 in Westmoreland on Saturday before noon.

Crash prompts partial closure of Route 12

A serious crash involving several motorcycles and a vehicle prompts the closure of part of Route 12 in Westmoreland on Saturday.
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About 200 motorcycles were heading south as part of a memorial ride when the crash happened at about 11:48 a.m., police said.

According to police, the driver of a car, Robert Lockerby, 87, of Walpole, was headed north, and for an unknown reason, swerved into the southbound lane, colliding with the motorcycles.

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I don't know of anyone who is 87 and is physically capable of driving safely. This could have been avoided with more stringent reviews/testing of the elderly. Eg. annual letter from your doctor required over a certain age to keep your license.
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I don't know of anyone who is 87 and is physically capable of driving safely. This could have been avoided with more stringent reviews/testing of the elderly. Eg. annual letter from your doctor required over a certain age to keep your license.
Several years ago I spoke to the A.B.A.T.E of Pa. lobbyist concerning the testing of older drivers. He stated that at that time lawmakers in Pennsylvania were reluctant to pass laws relating to the testing of older drivers because older citizens vote.
A politician certainly would not want to offend older drivers by requiring testing and chance losing votes.

Which is more important, a vote or a life-go figure.


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Killed were 59-year-old Gary Champney, of Alstead, and 41-year-old Aaron Robar, of Newport. Five other motorcyclists and Lockerby's 87-year-old wife were hurt. Two were airlifted to hospitals.

Police say neither speed nor alcohol appears to be a factor in the crash.

The ride was in honor of Army Spc. Justin Rollins, a Newport native who was killed in Iraq by a roadside bomb in March 2007.


My grandfather stopped driving when he turned 97, by his own choice... He was still of very sound mind though, and could climb tall ladders and chop wood better than I.
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Te amazing this is because of the size of this ride they had State Police escort. NH has extra testing for elderly drivers. I don't know what it is specifically.

To add to the tragedy the mother of the fallen soldier was a few bikes back from the accident and witnessed the whole thing. Now she has two tragedies associated with her son.

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My heart goes out to all these peoples loses. Good Lord!





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The Driver of the car died at the hospital yesterday so we will never know why it happened...

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http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/10...-school-260835

Los Angeles: A 100-year-old man backed his car on to a sidewalk and hit 11 people, including nine children, across from an elementary school in South Los Angeles just after classes had ended on Wednesday, authorities said.

Four of the children were in critical condition when firefighters arrived but they were stabilised and were in serious condition at a hospital, city fire Captain Jaime Moore said. Everyone was expected to survive, he said.

The powder blue Cadillac backed slowly into the group of parents and children buying snacks from a sidewalk vendor, and the crowd banged on his windows and screamed for him to stop, but not before some of the children were trapped under the car, witnesses said.

He has a driver's license and will be 101 years old Sept. 5. The collision was being investigated as an accident, and Carter was not under arrest.


Older drivers have been involved in other tragedies. In 2003, an 86-year-old man mistakenly stepped on the gas pedal of his car instead of the brake and then panicked, plowing into an open-air market in Santa Monica. Ten people were killed and 63 injured.

According to California's Department of Motor Vehicles, people over age 70 must renew their driver's license in person, rather than via the Internet or by mail. Older drivers can also be required to take a supplemental driving test if they fail a vision exam, or if a police officer, a physician, or a family member raises questions about their ability to drive.
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I think the bottom line is we give Driver Licenses out to easily in this country. I am the first one to have less government regulation in our lives but driving whether its a car or motorcycle should have more restriction. The testing and training requirements need to increase. Statistically young drivers have more accidents than the elderly but after a certain age yearly checks need to be done.

Rather than the cops handing out speeding tickets enforcement should be focused on reckless driving, distracted driving ect....

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US Department of Transportation study finds only five percent of crashes caused by excessive speed.

As lawmakers around the country continue to consider speed limit enforcement as the primary traffic safety measure, the most comprehensive examination of accident causation in thirty years suggests this focus on speed may be misplaced.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) investigated 5,471 injury crashes that took place across the country between July 3, 2005 and December 31, 2007. Unlike previous studies automatically generated from computerized data found in police reports, researchers in this effort were dispatched to accident scenes before they were cleared. This allowed a first-hand comparison of physical evidence with direct interviews of witnesses and others involved in the incident. NHTSA evaluated the data to determine the factors most responsible for the collision.

"The critical reason is determined by a thorough evaluation of all the potential problems related to errors attributable to the driver, the condition of the vehicle, failure of vehicle systems, adverse environmental conditions, and roadway design," the report explained. "The critical pre-crash event refers to the action or the event that puts a vehicle on the course that makes the collision unavoidable, given reasonable driving skills and vehicle handling of the driver."

Overall, vehicles "traveling too fast for conditions" accounted for only five percent of the critical pre-crash events (page 23). More significant factors included 22 percent driving off the edge of a road, or 11 percent who drifted over the center dividing line.

When driver error was the primary cause of a crash, researchers went further to identify the "critical reason" behind that error. Distraction and not paying attention to the road accounted for 41 percent of the errors. Ten percent of errors were attributed to drivers lacking proper driving skills and either freezing up or overcompensating behind the wheel. Eight percent were asleep, having a heart attack or otherwise incapacitated. A similar eight percent of errors were attributed to driving too fast for conditions and five percent driving too fast for a curve (page 25).
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I don't know of anyone who is 87 and is physically capable of driving safely. This could have been avoided with more stringent reviews/testing of the elderly. Eg. annual letter from your doctor required over a certain age to keep your license.
I would lean more towards annual or semi-annual testing for everybody.

My 90 year old grandpa is still a good driver. He finally sold his last motorcycle a month ago but does just fine in his truck or on his scooter. On the other hand I know plenty of people my age that shouldn't be on the road.
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