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Germany to cease production of gas/diesel powered vehicles after 2030

Germany has recently passed a law requiring all vehicles produced after 2030 to be zero emissions. This likely spells the end of the internal combustion engine in motorcycles and cars as it is likely they will be joined by other vehicle producing countries. I would not be surprised to see most motorcycles and cars on the market by then be battery or hydrogen fuel cell powered.

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Ahhh yes, considering at any given time the grid already accepts any renewable energy source, then increased demand on the system is made up by coal or natural gas. Driving electric cars can make one feel good because the power plant stacks are way over the mountains.

That's more than a bit cheeky. There are advantages to electric cars, mainly they allow for regenerative braking and charging is generally done at off-peak hours, but there are no such things as zero emissions vehicles. There are vehicles with practically no emissions at point of use but there are emissions.
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They will just build everything in India. You can pretty much guarantee you will be able to buy a 2031 gas powered Mercedes.
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Ahhh yes, considering at any given time the grid already accepts any renewable energy source, then increased demand on the system is made up by coal or natural gas. Driving electric cars can make one feel good because the power plant stacks are way over the mountains.

That's more than a bit cheeky. There are advantages to electric cars, mainly they allow for regenerative braking and charging is generally done at off-peak hours, but there are no such things as zero emissions vehicles. There are vehicles with practically no emissions at point of use but there are emissions.
Well if anything, it prevents the pollution in your area. Think about it. This is why UK was trying to ban cars and motorcycles older than a certain age. They were less efficient and caused more pollution.

In summary, more people driving electric cars in an urban area = less URBAN pollution.

I feel bad for the people who have to drive quite a long distance to work though. Hopefully strides will be made in distance available to travel.
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My pet peeve is that in order make the public back new initiatives the promulgating agencies go to great lengths to hide the full data/true costs and when they are done they then have the temerity to tell the riff-raff that they (r-r) are too ignorant to make the choice without proper guidance.

Electric cars do have a place (at present mainly urban run-abouts), as do pig tail florescent lights, but I've pretty well removed all my pig tails as they burn out.

I have an idea the ban will get delayed if it looks like BMW will lose money or jobs.
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Whether it be to combat climate change or simply quit poisoning the air we breath, at some point we have to stop relying on burning stuff for energy.
Note that Germany is a leader, if not the leader, in solar energy production by pushing to install solar panels on every available roof-top. Solar is also not the only clean energy source now nor will it be in the future.
The old argument that more demand for electricity will require coal, NG, etc. is totally false. Solar is everywhere. Wind farms are all over the country. We also have hydroelectric, geothermal and nuclear as options for clean energy today. With small wind turbines and rooftop solar, pretty much every house in the country is capable of generating more than enough electricity for its own needs.
The payoff for converting a typical house to become energy self sufficient is in the 10 to 15 year range right now. For myself, a rooftop solar and battery system sufficient to run the house and keep a couple electric vehicles charged would cost about $25k. How much is it worth to you to never see an electric bill again or gas up your commuter?
Electric vehicle range is getting better all the time. You can buy electric vehicles today that have over 200 mile range. There are electric long haul trucks now also.
Today the transportation needs of more than 90% of the US population could easily be met more than 90% of the time with electric vehicles.
The argument of emissions in the manufacturing process also is mostly bull. Note that in a manufacturing facility, it is far more practical to control and contain any emissions than it is in a small, mobile vehicle. Low-emissions and no-emissions manufacturing facilities are becoming more common all the time. In any case, there is certainly not more emissions from manufacturing current cars than there is for electric cars.

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But Germany's own transport Minister doesn't think it will happen

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