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Hi.. just got an 08 Versys about 3 months ago. First time rider too.. great bike although the shifter is very clunky and sometimes doesn't want to go from 1st to 2nd.. it ends up back in neutral. I already had my clutch cable fray also so I had to replace that. The forums here have been great so far for information. Thanks for that.

I think I had someone tugging on my handlebar last night trying to break it out of locked position. The left side got bent a few degrees toward the front of the bike. I was just going to buy a new handlebar.. wanted to post in the wanted section. Before I do.. since it's not much of a bend would it be ok to just bend it back? Or is that a bad idea?
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Are you sure it isn't just the forks tweaked (twisted) a litlle as opposed to your bars actually being bent?.... As far as the difficult shifting is concerned (does this happen while stopped or moving?)... I assume you clutch is properly adjusted (freeplay) and your oil is/has been changed on a regular basis?...

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Option #1 -- No Cash

You could straighten the bars... but don't bend them on the bike.
Remove them and clamp them as not to mar them.
Then re-bend them slowly and in small increments... checking for proper fit and alignment as you go.

Option#2 -- If you have a little extra coin

New bars are not that expensive and give you the option to customize your riding position.

FYI: I never lock my steering as the lock can be easily broke by just about any moron.
I used a Xena xx14 disc brake lock / alarm but if someone wants your bike bad enough they will manage to take it.

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I can't speak to if the oil was changed before I got it but it was only 4600 miles and i changed it at 7000.. the problem has already begun at that point. The oil change didn't seem to make any noticeable difference.

When I cold start it, it actually shifts into first from neutral without much of a lurch. All shifting seems smoother at this point. As it warms up, it becomes more sloppy. If I downshift too quickly or late when coming to a stop sometimes it refuses to shift. It feels like it doesn't catch when I lift my foot up.

Since I replaced the clutch cable on my own I doubt it's adjusted perfectly. I'll take another look at the manual and try to adjust it better. I don't have it set up right now with any play at the lever when disengaged but that's mainly to see if I can affect how it's shifting.

On a side note the previous owner had installed some aftermarket pegs and the left side had started to come loose. I had taken it off to tighten it and may have damaged one of the rubber covers that cover the joints on the shifter. I'm not sure how much those can be played with or if that would have any affect on the shifting.

People talk about the Versys' shifting being clunky but its hard for me to tell if mine is worse than normal seeing as how it's my first bike.

As for the fork being tweaked I'll really have to look at that... sounds dangerous. Are there any signs I could look for? I did notice that the right side of my handlebar has also come in toward me a bit as well. That would seem to indicate it was the riser or the fork I suppose.
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Option #1 -- No Cash

You could straighten the bars... but don't bend them on the bike.
Remove them and clamp them as not to mar them.
Then re-bend them slowly and in small increments... checking for proper fit and alignment as you go.

Option#2 -- If you have a little extra coin

New bars are not that expensive and give you the option to customize your riding position.

FYI: I never lock my steering as the lock can be easily broke by just about any moron.
I used a Xena xx14 disc brake lock / alarm but if someone wants your bike bad enough they will manage to take it.
So do you think the lock would have broken before the riser or handlebar was bent?
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Difficulty in shifting from 1st to 2nd and sometimes hit a N is mainly due to the engine oil that you are using, most likely the oil is either too old or have sheared down in viscosity to a lighter oil.

My old ex-250R Ninja was sensitive to the kind of oil I put in. New oil works great. Some oil 'dies' earlier than others and the first symptom of a dying oil is the gear shifts, getting a lot of Neutrals, rather than 2nd gear. I've got oil that last a mere 1200km before seeing this symptoms. Some beaten down oil works well when it is cold and as u ride, it heats up, and coupled with warm weather, the shifting can be frustrating. It means, the oil has to be replaced. Try other brand of oils if u can.

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Difficulty in shifting from 1st to 2nd and sometimes hit a N is mainly due to the engine oil that you are using, most likely the oil is either too old or have sheared down in viscosity to a lighter oil.

My old ex-250R Ninja was sensitive to the kind of oil I put in. New oil works great. Some oil 'dies' earlier than others and the first symptom of a dying oil is the gear shifts, getting a lot of Neutrals, rather than 2nd gear. I've got oil that last a mere 1200km before seeing this symptoms. Some beaten down oil works well when it is cold and as u ride, it heats up, and coupled with warm weather, the shifting can be frustrating. It means, the oil has to be replaced. Try other brand of oils if u can.
The shifting issues continued despite the oil change which leads me to believe it's due to the type of oil they used or other issues. I'll try to pick a specific oil next time I change it.
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I can't speak to if the oil was changed before I got it but it was only 4600 miles and i changed it at 7000.. the problem has already begun at that point. The oil change didn't seem to make any noticeable difference.

When I cold start it, it actually shifts into first from neutral without much of a lurch. All shifting seems smoother at this point. As it warms up, it becomes more sloppy. If I downshift too quickly or late when coming to a stop sometimes it refuses to shift. It feels like it doesn't catch when I lift my foot up.

Since I replaced the clutch cable on my own I doubt it's adjusted perfectly. I'll take another look at the manual and try to adjust it better. I don't have it set up right now with any play at the lever when disengaged but that's mainly to see if I can affect how it's shifting.

On a side note the previous owner had installed some aftermarket pegs and the left side had started to come loose. I had taken it off to tighten it and may have damaged one of the rubber covers that cover the joints on the shifter. I'm not sure how much those can be played with or if that would have any affect on the shifting.

People talk about the Versys' shifting being clunky but its hard for me to tell if mine is worse than normal seeing as how it's my first bike.

As for the fork being tweaked I'll really have to look at that... sounds dangerous. Are there any signs I could look for? I did notice that the right side of my handlebar has also come in toward me a bit as well. That would seem to indicate it was the riser or the fork I suppose.
Since you have done clutch cable replacement, you might revisit that part and see if it make any difference.

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How do I check to see if the fork is tweaked? When I'm at speed each side of the fork appears to be perpendicular to the bike.. is there a way the front wheel can become misaligned? Is there a surefire sign that its tweaked?
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The easiest way to see if the forks are tweaked is just to look at the front fender. If the fender is straight with the tire, you're golden. Any misalignment of the forks should be magnified by the fender.

Fortunately, I haven't seen this effect with my Versys, but it was apparent on another bike that I had.

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mine was doing that and it was a crimp in the cable, easy fix and could not believe why i did not pick up on it sooner than i did. fyi hope you know there is a diference in car oil and motorcycle oil. Mine shifts smooth but my other bike is a r75/5 and has clunked while shifting for 150,000 miles and stile runs great.
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mine was doing that and it was a crimp in the cable, easy fix and could not believe why i did not pick up on it sooner than i did. fyi hope you know there is a diference in car oil and motorcycle oil. Mine shifts smooth but my other bike is a r75/5 and has clunked while shifting for 150,000 miles and stile runs great.
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Yeah I'm aware.. either way a dealer did the oil change for me. I'm more concerned with the front alignment at this point. I can definitely live with a clunky transmission although I'd avoid getting a bike like that in the future.

I suppose after taking a close look at the fork I'll pull the handlebar and riser off and check them individually. Still no reply on how to fix the fork if it's 'tweaked' if anyone wants to chime in. Do I just pull the wheel off and reset it? I imagine some other parts would need to be tightened/checked.
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You might try adjusting the shift lever too. I wear a narrow joe rocket super street boot and adjusting the lever helped mine. I wasn't getting enough of a kick up for 1st to 2nd. The other gears seem to be closer together.

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You might try adjusting the shift lever too. I wear a narrow joe rocket super street boot and adjusting the lever helped mine. I wasn't getting enough of a kick up for 1st to 2nd. The other gears seem to be closer together.
That might have something to do with it.. for some reason it is starting to feel like a stretch from 1st to 2nd. I didn't really notice at first. The previous owner put adjustable pegs in so I'll try a different position. Not quite sure how to adjust the shifter.
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