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Took a 3 day trip last week to Western NY and PA. What a hoot! You have to travel some distance from where I live to find good twisty roads, and PA is a failry close trip to some great places.

Two bikes: My V and my buddy on his Honda ST1300. And one car, a 2014 Ford Mustang convertible (which replaced his motorcycle, so he still likes to come along on "motorcycle" trips).



We crossed at Buffalo and headed for Letchworth State Park.






We made our way down South and had a great ride along route 44. The weather was a little unstable, pop up storm bursts all over the area. We seemed to be avoiding them, mostly just finding wet roads where it was clear that it recently rained. At one point it looked dark enough to don rain gear, but in the end we rode through only a brief stretch of rain.

We stopped for the night at Lock Haven, and lucked into the last available room at the Best Western.

Following a hearty morning breakfast at the hotel we headed out on Rt 120 and soon found ourselves on Hyner Mountain Run.

We took a few turns enjoying this tree canopy covered twisty road in both directions before moving on to 44 again and Hwys 6, 66, and even the Highway to Hell:





We stopped for the night in the town of Kane. Shopping around for beer, we learned a few things about the unique approach Pennsylvania takes regarding the sales of alcohol.

Our 3rd and final day opened to some cool damp weather and heavy fog. We saw lots of deer, mostly at the last and most uncomfortable second. Along 321(?) we encountered a stretch of gravel that seemed to go on quite a distance. The ST1300 does not really like the gravel, and I assure you the the shiny new Mustang hated it. Me and the V of course were in our element and I scouted way ahead to see where the pavement was. Eventually a traveller coming the other way assured us we were almost there and all was well again.



After stopping for breakfast and gas, most of the mist had burned off and we were able to enjoy the rest of the way up Hwy 62.

We enjoyed a great time on some nice roads with beautiful park and mountain scenery. It was just a short tour and the only one I'll sqeeze in this Summer, but what a great ride!

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Thanks for posting. Have enjoyed many miles and hours riding south of Pittsburgh and into West Virginia. The area has some of the nicest motorcycle roads in the Northeast.

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...Shopping around for beer, we learned a few things about the unique approach Pennsylvania takes regarding the sales of alcohol....
So-o-o... - don't leave us "hanging"....

Tell us how unique!

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So-o-o... - don't leave us "hanging"....

Tell us how unique!
Well, I suppose every jurisdiction is unique, but I did find this system stood out a bit:

I've taken the bike through eleven US states so far, and most often we will grab a few tall cans at the gas station or variety store at the end of the day. We couldn't find this in PA. On entering the town of Kane we saw the "one stop" party store and went in. Everything is stored in the back, which appeared to be out of public access. But, being unfamiliar with brands available the clerck let us poke around in the cooler. We selected a local brew called Straub Amber. And discovered it could ONLY be purchased there by the full case, 24 pack. The nice part was that these 24 cans only cost us 16 bucks. An equivalant purchase back home would run about $38-$42.

As it turns out, our neighbour at the Kane Motel was a very cool older gentleman named Mike, who was from Pennsylvania and was well versed in state geography and history. He was travelling for research on his book about forest fires. We spent some time with him over beer (he prefers Yuengling Premium) and cigars.

So, this is how I understand it:
The private Party Stores (such as our "one stop" store mentioned above sell beer only. And only in full cases, no singles, no 6-packs, etc.

If you want to get your beer in smaller packages you have to buy it from a bar. They can only sell you a maximum of 2 six packs, and generally don't sell singles. Also, the beer at the bar is sold at much higher bar-like prices.

If you want wine or liquor, that comes from the PA Wine and Spirit Store, managed by the state liquor control board.

See why I put "one stop" in quotes?

Mike also had some good stories about PA's history of Moonshiners and whisky rebellions and the legallity of the term Pennsylvania Moonshine today.

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Well, I suppose every jurisdiction is unique, but I did find this system stood out a bit:

I've taken the bike through eleven US states so far, and most often we will grab a few tall cans at the gas station or variety store at the end of the day. We couldn't find this in PA. On entering the town of Kane we saw the "one stop" party store and went in. Everything is stored in the back, which appeared to be out of public access. But, being unfamiliar with brands available the clerck let us poke around in the cooler. We selected a local brew called Straub Amber. And discovered it could ONLY be purchased there by the full case, 24 pack. The nice part was that these 24 cans only cost us 16 bucks. An equivalant purchase back home would run about $38-$42.

As it turns out, our neighbour at the Kane Motel was a very cool older gentleman named Mike, who was from Pennsylvania and was well versed in state geography and history. He was travelling for research on his book about forest fires. We spent some time with him over beer (he prefers Yuengling Premium) and cigars.

So, this is how I understand it:
The private Party Stores (such as our "one stop" store mentioned above sell beer only. And only in full cases, no singles, no 6-packs, etc.

If you want to get your beer in smaller packages you have to buy it from a bar. They can only sell you a maximum of 2 six packs, and generally don't sell singles. Also, the beer at the bar is sold at much higher bar-like prices.

If you want wine or liquor, that comes from the PA Wine and Spirit Store, managed by the state liquor control board.

See why I put "one stop" in quotes?

Mike also had some good stories about PA's history of Moonshiners and whisky rebellions and the legallity of the term Pennsylvania Moonshine today.
Your understanding is correct ATYC.
Pennsylvania is in the Dark Ages concerning alcohol sales.
This issue has been hotly debated for the last several years as to whether alcohol sales will be allowed in convenience stores, grocery stores, etc. but nothing has changed. The system has been in place since the end of Proabition.

I have ridden in that area of Pa. many times and never tire of it.
You owe it to yourself to spend more time exploring the roads in that region of Pa.
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Nice pics
Shame about about the beer laws
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PA is starting to come out of the dark ages. So far 3 gas stations and a couple of grocery stores have beer.
http://blindtigerpodcast.com/2014/08...ds-beer-sales/
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ATYC - thanks for the details....

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My wife and I often ride around Allegheny National Forest, which is in Northwest PA and Western NY. Nice place to explore gravel and dirt roads. It takes us around 2 1/2 hours to get there from where we live so we trailer the bike to the forest. Just too long for us two to ride the V there. We were there on 8/2/14, here are a couple pictures.








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Great report. I know those areas of PA well. Route 6 is great, if you haven't seen Kinzua Bridge outside of Mt Jewett, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

So many great roads in Northern PA. One of my favorite areas.
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I ride that area of Pa. often.
Not far from here.
I may be riding to the Kinsua dam area this weekend.
I also do snowmobiling in and around the Allegany forest in the Kane, Marienville, Warren Pa. area every winter.

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Picture compilation from the trip. It's still Winter (but not for long) so I had to do something motorcycle-y today, while I still can't ride!

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[QUOTE=55wed55;673305]My wife and I often ride around Allegheny National Forest, which is in Northwest PA and Western NY. Nice place to explore gravel and dirt roads. It takes us around 2 1/2 hours to get there from where we live so we trailer the bike to the forest. Just too long for us two to ride the V there. We were there on 8/2/14, here are a couple pictures.

It looks like you built a Harbor Freight trailer to haul your V. I just built the same one last year to haul our Kayaks, and wondered how it ride with the motorcycle chocked into the bed. Give me your impressions using it with the bike. I put a 3/4" plywood floor in mine so it should be plenty durable. Thanks!


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Yes,that is a Harbor Freight trailer. I also put a 3/4" plywood floor on it along with the Harbor Freight motorcycle front wheel chock. I also put in 4 big eye bolts to tie in the bike. The trailer works great to haul the V. I pull it with a 2004 Honda Accord and it does get a little bumpy with the trailer. Probably would be a lot better if I had a larger car but we can stand it for 2 1/2 hours.

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