Kawasaki puts zx10-r on technical hold - Kawasaki Versys Forum
Industry News A section for industry news, recalls & technical service bulletins.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 04:44 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Reading, Pa
Posts: 688
Kawasaki puts zx10-r on technical hold

Kawasaki recalled and stopped selling the 2011 zx-10r .They were talking about it on the wera board yesterday . I guess now it is official.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=42858

Last edited by turn8a; 12-12-2010 at 04:47 AM.
turn8a is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 05:05 AM
Member
 
jsquared's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lisbon, Md.
Posts: 251
Well that seems serious. Wonder what the problem is? Pretty bed if KMC is refunding money.

Jsquared

Rider of all things 2 wheeled
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jsquared is offline  
post #3 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 05:48 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 291
Honorable way of handling it.
chitownpete is offline  
 
post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 05:59 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: District Of Columbia
Posts: 286
Quote:
Originally Posted by chitownpete View Post
Honorable way of handling it.
Honorable - maybe. More likely they're trying to get in front of potential lawsuits.

As I was telling another rider friend, the fact that they aren't saying anything about WHAT the problem might be is kind of ominous. I mean, mass recalls like this are expensive as hell for a manufacturer. Makes me think it's probably not a "your bike will explode while you're on it" issue but something serious enough to pull them all in.

Which also means that the bike has some kind of serious defect. And given a manufacturer's penchant, in general, to parts-bin their bikes, it makes me wonder what else might be affected.
killbilly is offline  
post #5 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-12-2010, 07:14 PM
Member
 
blipco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: boston, MA
Posts: 1,515
blipco is offline  
post #6 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-13-2010, 07:39 PM
Member
 
siyeh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Evansville Wisconsin
Posts: 501
Anyone heard what's going on with this? This does not happen very often.
siyeh is offline  
post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-14-2010, 09:58 AM
Member
 
invader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 7,815
UPDATE 14 Dec
Kawasaki UK has released the following statement:
"Following its recent successful Press Launch in Qatar, the European sales introduction of the 2011 model Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R has been re-scheduled for the company to resolve a technical issue.
"In order to meet Kawasaki’s long established reputation for precision engineered products, the sales introduction of the new machine has been temporarily postponed. Kawasaki will announce a revised sales start date in due course."

UPDATE 13 Dec: No UK bike are affected by the Kawasaki recall issued on the new ZX-10R superbike in America as none have yet been delivered either to dealers or customers. UK deliveries will begin in January. It's not known at this stage if the recall even affects European specification bikes or if this recall will affect delivery times scheduled for the New Year.

Kawasaki has revealed no details about what the issue is, but unsubstantiated online rumours suggest it might be linked to a butterfly valve in the exhaust. The implications of the ‘technical hold’ is not clear for European bikes. It could apply only to American spec bikes which are different in terms of power, peak revs and noise controls.

The recall tallies with MCN’s experience of attempting to organise a world first road test – the promise of a ZX-10R to be loaned by Kawasaki was withdrawn at the last minute with no explanation given. The test has now been postponed...
invader is offline  
post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-14-2010, 11:31 AM
Member
 
arewethereyet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: BC Canada
Posts: 245
Great job Kawasaki, that is how to handle an issue.

Not kill and/or seriously injure many people, then say your product is fine, like another company did recently.

Its good to see you take this seriously, and are not willing to kill many, just for a dollar.

Time alone with ones thoughts, is quality time.

They say there is a lack of jobs. Seems here to be more a lack of people willing to work hard, and take pride in the work they do.

Frank
arewethereyet is offline  
post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-14-2010, 12:05 PM
Member
 
Jehos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 133
Yeah, it would be nice if they'd say what the problem was, but it's good of them to issue a recall before many units were delivered (and let people who had to return their bikes be first in line for new ones) rather than try to deal with the problem down the road.

I'd rather be riding.
2005 Triumph Speed Triple | 2009 Blue Versys
1997 Suzuki DR350SE (sold) | 2004 Triumph Speed Four (sold) | 2008 ZX6R (sold) | 2008 Concours 14 (sold) | 2007 Suzuki M50 (sold) | 2006 Ninja 500 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Jehos is offline  
post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-14-2010, 02:03 PM
Member
 
Pegasus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Peters, MO
Posts: 464
Somebody obviously screwed up royally in their testing and quality department. I’m thinking some heads will roll on this one. Do they still practice Hari Kari? Was this a case of trying to get it to market to quickly and cutting corners? I also wonder if it is hardware or software related.
Pegasus is offline  
post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-15-2010, 12:05 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 291
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
Somebody obviously screwed up royally in their testing and quality department. Iím thinking some heads will roll on this one. Do they still practice Hari Kari? Was this a case of trying to get it to market to quickly and cutting corners? I also wonder if it is hardware or software related.
This is why I wont buy a bike with a fly by wire throttle. Completely unnecessary and any problem could be deadly. Don't know if this is the problem but there were some guys who were having hesitation problems on either the GSXR 600 or R6, they would open the throttle and the bike wouldn't accelerate. Scary.
chitownpete is offline  
post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-15-2010, 12:08 PM
Member
 
Pegasus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Peters, MO
Posts: 464
You better get used to fly by wire unless you want to build your own bike. Better check your car to as is probably he same.
Pegasus is offline  
post #13 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-15-2010, 01:15 PM
Member
 
80-watt Hamster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Fargo, ND
Posts: 419
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
You better get used to fly by wire unless you want to build your own bike. Better check your car to as is probably he same.
No sh!te. I personally hate this trend. I prefer to be mechanically connected to my vehicle. Throttle-by-wire, brake-by-wire, electric steering assist, TCS, ABS, VSC, DCT...Gah! (Okay, I suppose we can keep ABS.) In the not-so-distant future there will be no driver input in a car that will not be run through and metered by the ECU and it's microprocessor friends. Many high-end cars are like this already. Give me a well-balanced vehicle that I can control without electronic intervention (fueling excepted; loves me some EFI). Love my wife's Impreza; great car, but you'll pry my 240SX from my cold, dead fingers. If I want everything I do to be processed by a computer for approval, I'll play Gran Turismo.

Jon
'09 Versys in Blue
80-watt Hamster is offline  
post #14 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-15-2010, 03:11 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 291
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
You better get used to fly by wire unless you want to build your own bike. Better check your car to as is probably he same.
You are likely correct. Hopefully I don't need to turn into one of those guys who only rides antiques. I don't mind it as much on my car since its not nearly as dangerous as a motorcycle. I understand this on a car but on a bike with only a few feet of easily installed cable?
chitownpete is offline  
post #15 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 02:11 AM
Member
 
invader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 7,815
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/New...nical_hold.htm

On the ZX-10R.net forum, garth285 claims to already have received his 2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R. garth285 further states that he had received notification from Kawasaki asking him to return his bike for a full refund and to be placed on priority for the fixed batch of bikes. garth285’s problem is according to his forum statements that he has already modified his ZX-10R with new wheels and more, hence he agreed to take delivery of a new engine. It was also claimed in the forum that no current bikes should be revved above 6.000rpm. All this indicates that it is the new engine that is the problem and no other technical part. The punters further goes on speculating in what the problem may be and there seem to be no other reliable source to any of the potential issues I am going to mention than a unnamed racer in the know. The following list should then be looked upon as pure speculation and Kawasaki have neither confirmed nor disregarded any of the points despite the fact that I have highlighted them.

-Piston rings accelerated wear

-Cylinder liners accelerated wear

-Exhaust valve problem

-Low oil pressure at extreme lean angles

-General lubrication issues

-Engine parts mixed together at assembly line in Japan

Recall thread now at 44 pages: http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96728

Last edited by invader; 12-17-2010 at 02:20 AM.
invader is offline  
post #16 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 07:23 AM
Member
 
invader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 7,815
Kawasaki ZX-10R Technical Hold Update
December 15, 2010

By Cycle Canada

Canadian Kawasaki Motors Inc. (CMK) has released an official statement in response to American Kawasaki's wholesale recall of the 2011 Ninja ZX-10R. The all-new supersport has yet to be released for retail sale in Canada, so technically Kawasaki's "technical hold" doesn't apply here. But "as a precautionary measure", says CMK, all 2011 ZX-10Rs will be inspected "to ensure they meet the high quality standards expected from Kawasaki" before the bike's scheduled release in early January.
invader is offline  
post #17 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 09:04 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: District Of Columbia
Posts: 286
They are being purposefully and obviously opaque here.

They could kill all the speculation if they just said, "Whoa, we broke this, turn in your bikes and we'll fix it."

Hiding things makes them look guilty.
killbilly is offline  
post #18 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 10:12 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by invader View Post
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/New...nical_hold.htm

On the ZX-10R.net forum, garth285 claims to already have received his 2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R. garth285 further states that he had received notification from Kawasaki asking him to return his bike for a full refund and to be placed on priority for the fixed batch of bikes. garth285ís problem is according to his forum statements that he has already modified his ZX-10R with new wheels and more, hence he agreed to take delivery of a new engine. It was also claimed in the forum that no current bikes should be revved above 6.000rpm. All this indicates that it is the new engine that is the problem and no other technical part. The punters further goes on speculating in what the problem may be and there seem to be no other reliable source to any of the potential issues I am going to mention than a unnamed racer in the know. The following list should then be looked upon as pure speculation and Kawasaki have neither confirmed nor disregarded any of the points despite the fact that I have highlighted them.

-Piston rings accelerated wear

-Cylinder liners accelerated wear

-Exhaust valve problem

-Low oil pressure at extreme lean angles

-General lubrication issues

-Engine parts mixed together at assembly line in Japan

Recall thread now at 44 pages: http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96728
If it were any of these they wouldn't go to the expense of shipping the bikes back to Japan.
Hell even Aprilia replaced the motors in the RSV4 at the dealerships.

The "speculation" I have herd that makes sense is an issue with the frame as it's pretty hard to replace a frame at the dealership level.
By not announcing what it is that's what will keep happening (speculation) until someone discloses what it is and they will eventually so why not up front ???
jiggy is offline  
post #19 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-18-2010, 12:45 AM
Member
 
invader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 7,815


Last edited by invader; 12-22-2010 at 11:58 PM.
invader is offline  
post #20 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-22-2010, 11:49 PM
Member
 
invader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kapuskasing Ontario Canada
Posts: 7,815
Kawasaki ZX-10R: "High rpm problems."
21 December 2010

"A Kawasaki insider has revealed that the new ZX-10R has been recalled because "on some engines, at very high RPM and in harsh operating conditions, ie on a race track, there have been some problems."

There is still no official statement from Kawasaki about what it refers to as 'a technical hold' on the ZX-10R. The Kawasaki insider, who does not wish to be named spoke to MCN after Kawasaki announced no bikes will be released to UK dealers until the ‘technical hold’ has been lifted.

Here is the transcript of the conversation:

MCN: What is the reason for the technical hold?
On some engines, at very high RPM and in harsh operating conditions ie on a race track, there have been some problems.

So was the decision made on a safety issue?
No, based on the information currently available it’s not thought to be a safety issue.

So why wasn’t the problem discovered earlier? After all, testing of the WSB bikes has been heavily reported as was the initial press launch?
This is under investigation.

What does technical hold actually mean?
It’s an internal term – a term that the factory uses. It means the factory will suspend any units that are thought to be suspect and stop delivery and sales until problem solved.

How are the bikes going to be fixed and what will the counter measure be?
This is still under investigation. Kawasaki is investigating potential counter measures and will announce a solution when it is available.

Is this a US only problem?
We thought that maybe it was at first because the technical hold was instigated in the USA and European units weren’t suspended until after the American bikes. But the factory now says all machines produced so far will be checked as a measure – this is not uncommon.

The test bikes at the ZX-10R’s week-long world launch didn’t appear to suffer any problems?
All units at the press introduction were part of the initial mass production run, this means that they too will be checked before going on as press test machines.

Thank you, but that doesn’t tell MCN readers what the actual problem is..
Like many people within Kawasaki, I don’t know, that’s what I am saying…"

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...-rev-problems/
invader is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Kawasaki Versys Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome