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I was unwilling to pay $150 for a GIPro gear indicator. So after a long time of research prototyping with lots of trial and error, I now have a working unit. I worked on it untill 6:30 am this morning. I used a factory connector to connect to the "diagnostic port". No cutting or splicing for this baby.. From the ECU I get gear and water temperature. I added a voltage sensor and digital temp probe. So off the 3 wires from the ECU I get a lot more than that little GIPro gear indicator.

The front plate is ABS plastic cut to fit. The mounts for the plate are 1x2 oak cut to the correct angles, painted black. They mount to what was an aluminum cross bar, bolted to the windscreen brackets. To ensure this prototype fit, I cut the bar between the oak rails. From there I have a connector near windscreen bracket. From there is a small wire to the Diagnostic port connector.

With this unit I can customize the display color. In this case I wanted to match the main dash as close as possible. I created the larger gear numbers, cause the regular small ones are too difficult for an old man like me. The names under water temp, outside temp, and voltmeter can be whatever fits. 4 spaces per item. The display is a RGbacklightght) 16x2 LCD ( 2 rows high, 16 characters wide).

Now I am going to look into producing this. I don't know what the price would be yet. That depends on cost and what people would be willing to pay, So give me some feed back to what you would pay. I am not out to screw over / overcharge anyone.
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That is awesome. Like way awesome. I wish I knew how to do stuff like that. I couldn't even figure out how to hook up my stupid air horn and back off brake light thingy. If you do produce this I would get in line for one. I was going to buy a volt meter and an ambient thermometer, soooo gear indicator wouldn't hurt I guess

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I assume that the "N" on the left of the display is indicating Neutral? Is your unit waterproof?

Complete unit (waterproof) - how's $100 sound...?

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As Ian says, that is waaaay cool. I would be interested in one should you decide to go into production. Hoping, as Fast Eddie asked, is will be waterproof. Cost - something in the neighborhood of the GiPro indicator sounds like a ball park start. Press on!!

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A round of applause for your great effort and technical acumen. Must the mount be that size and shape? Might your device be mounted in a less conspicuous manner?

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I was unwilling to pay $150 for a GIPro gear indicator. So after a long time of research prototyping with lots of trial and error
Well done.

My question is how did you figure out what was what? I assume the info to the diagnostic connector was serial (CAN?) and mixed in with a zillion other bits of info. My guess is you like solving puzzles.

I don't know what such things go for. All the bikes I've had in for the last 20 years or so had a built in display for this stuff, but I'd say you'd be safe charging $150 if that's what the competition charges and your device has that much more info. If you end up making one that works with the V1K, I'd buy one.
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I assume that the "N" on the left of the display is indicating Neutral? Is your unit waterproof?

Complete unit (waterproof) - how's $100 sound...?
Yes Eddie N for Neutral. Yes final product would be weather proof.

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A round of applause for your great effort and technical acumen. Must the mount be that size and shape? Might your device be mounted in a less conspicuous manner?
The minimum size would be 80mmx36mm. The LCD size. I just made a large panel to fill the open area.
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Well done.

My question is how did you figure out what was what? I assume the info to the diagnostic connector was serial (CAN?) and mixed in with a zillion other bits of info. My guess is you like solving puzzles.

I don't know what such things go for. All the bikes I've had in for the last 20 years or so had a built in display for this stuff, but I'd say you'd be safe charging $150 if that's what the competition charges and your device has that much more info. If you end up making one that works with the V1K, I'd buy one.
Could you look under seat to see if it too has the 4 pin connector? Should be black with round yellow "fill caps" no wires on the top side. The ECU should have same protocols and place holders.
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Could you look under seat to see if it too has the 4 pin connector? Should be black with round yellow "fill caps" no wires on the top side. The ECU should have same protocols and place holders.
I've only got a deposit down and a dream at this point. But if my bike ever materializes at the dealer I will check it out for ya.
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Well done, VERY well done. When you get geared up and they start rolling out put me down for one. I hope it will work on a 2012.

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That looks like a V1 - don't forget the V2s!


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Nice work. I suspect you could do a nicer mounting panel on a 3D printer. Many public libraries now have 3D printers available to the public. Also mounts for the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Versys would be nice.

Just curious what board are you using?

For accurate air tempature display, a really nice thing to have, you need a remote tempature sensor. One you can locate on a spot on the bike that is not heated by the sun or engine and receives a steady flow of unaffected air, maybe attached to a fork leg.
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Should work just fine as it still has the 4 pin connector under the seat. Thanks for the feedback.

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Well done, VERY well done. When you get geared up and they start rolling out put me down for one. I hope it will work on a 2012.
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Yes, a 3d printer would be nice to use. Also the UPS stores have them. What I have was a quick mount to fill the area. I will have to get with someone who has gen 2 / 3 to take measurements and figure something out that looks nice.

The Temp probe is digital. currently mounted on back side of display. It is a decent location. Gets air flow but sometimes at lights it gets radiator heat flowing up thru the cowling. Locating it else where is not difficult, just adds wiring and such.


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Nice work. I suspect you could do a nicer mounting panel on a 3D printer. Many public libraries now have 3D printers available to the public. Also mounts for the Gen 2 and Gen 3 Versys would be nice.

Just curious what board are you using?

For accurate air tempature display, a really nice thing to have, you need a remote tempature sensor. One you can locate on a spot on the bike that is not heated by the sun or engine and receives a steady flow of unaffected air, maybe attached to a fork leg.
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That's really cool. There is room on either side of the instrument cluster for a display that is a little bit smaller than that one. I understand why you wanted it directly in the line of sight.

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is really cool.... i dont get why they didnt have the gear indicator and or coolant temp gauge stock...

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A round of applause for your great effort and technical acumen. Must the mount be that size and shape? Might your device be mounted in a less conspicuous manner?
Hell of a job on this! But, I would concur regarding the size. I would definitely consider a purchase if there was a cleaner mounting design. Perhaps just a slight height extension above the existing instrument panel to accommodate the additional instrumentation. Overall...bravo!!

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Are you using something like the Raspberry PI for this? If so you could probably turn it into a trip computer and add lots of other cool functionality with some push buttons and writing some additional code. Also bigger/better display would be cool. Other neat things you could implement in software are hour meter, engine revolution counter (similar to hour meter), range remaining with current fuel supply and throttle setting and gear selection; calculated mileage approximation with gear selection and throttle setting (assuming there is not way to get actual fuel flow); blueTooth phone connection (everything is better with blue tooth) and phone app to log/display run time data and/or calibrate unit.

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very nice product! Congrats!
I'm not looking for a gear indicator, but temp and voltage might do it.
Do you work in aviation? (remove before flight )
I have a 3D printer (small one, 8x8x8in) if I can help you with something for a prototype let me know.

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