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RAM mount on MadStad Windshield Bracket

It's winter in New England. PMS (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) has set in. Sitting on my bikes and making motor noises just doesn't cut it, so like most winters I go out in the garage every so often and think. I haven't ridden my Versys more than 5 miles but already I knew I wanted a better location for my zumo than on a handle bar mount. I don't like having many focal distances -- the road (far ahead), bike gauges (near ahead and down), zumo (nearer ahead but down and left). I figured the best place for the zumo would be right over the tach at the same or nearly the same focal distance. I read about Speedy's GPS mount, and then I read that it won't work with the MadStad windshield bracket. I wondered if I could make it work somehow.

My bike came with an early production MadStad bracket (the previous owner lent his bike to MadStad during development) and a second larger windshield with holes drilled at the wider spacing for the VStrom application. (Kudos to MadStad, by the way, for sending me a stiffening plate to upgrade my bracket and a new set of well nuts at no cost. ) The space on the stiffening plate between the mounting points is empty real estate, which gave me an idea.

In my collection of parts I found a RAM base. My buddy held it in place on the forward facing side of the stiffening plate while I tried a few options. The short RAM arm that comes with the zumo wasn't long enough so I borrowed the longer (4") RAM arm I use on my ST. With the RAM mount centered and flush with the curve on the bottom end of the stiffening plate, we found that the longer RAM arm oriented the zumo over the tach with room to adjust it a fair amount.

My buddy happens to be a toolmaker and he offered to drill the holes with a drill press and supply some stainless nuts, lock washers and Allen bolts to attach the RAM mount to the MadStad. This morning I met him for breakfast (my treat, of course) and he returned the bracket with RAM mount in place. This afternoon I installed it and am very happy with the result. The zumo has a good range of motion so I can change the display angle. The windshield (the one I have anyway) retains its full range of motion up/down/tilt.

The photos show the zumo in place and the RAM mount bolted onto the windshield mount from the front and looking up from below. The power lead snakes up from under the dash through a gap in the plastic so it hides almost completely.

Now to take it for a ride...OK, first the ice needs to melt off my driveway.
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That's a great idea. I might try that myself as I have the same windshield mount.

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Looks good. Nice and neat. I routed my power cord the same way (I have Speedy's GPS bracket).

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Correct me if I am wrong. It looks like you could use the original mounting holes for the Versys shields, and still drill for the RAM mount, although you would have to just drill through the adjustment plates as well. How much space do you have left between the windshield and the bottom of the RAM arm. I hope that made sense.
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Correct me if I am wrong. It looks like you could use the original mounting holes for the Versys shields, and still drill for the RAM mount, although you would have to just drill through the adjustment plates as well. How much space do you have left between the windshield and the bottom of the RAM arm. I hope that made sense.
There are several holes on my RAM mount. I used three, but you may be able to use just two (top and bottom) so you wouldn't have to drill through the adjustment plates. Also you may be able orient the RAM mount such that some set of three holes would need holes drilled through the cross piece/stiffening plate but not the adjustment plates. Looks like the outside edge of the RAM mount will overlap the adjustment plates for the narrower setting, but you could compensate with a washer or two.

As far as how much space is left between the windshield and the bottom of the RAM arm, I'm not sure which part you're defining as "bottom" but when I set my zumo as shown in the photos my windshield does not touch the RAM arm or zumo cradle anywhere throughout the entire up/down/tilt range. You could have contact with the windshield if you adjusted the RAM arm straight up and down, but you wouldn't do that if you wanted a zumo to sit directly over the tach at about the same focal length from the rider. I imagine that will be windshield specific. Looking at my bike from the side, the RAM arm is positioned about 10 to 15 degrees closer to vertical than the fixed arms of the MadStad bracket. Plenty of clearance (Clarence).


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This is great news! I was debating on getting the Madstad mount because I wanted to use Speedy's to put a Zumo above the cluster. Seeing thought that you have found a way to do both is great. I have the the OEM larger windscreen by the way and hope it works good with this setup. Maybe its been a while since I looked at the Madstad bracket, but it is currently running 120 bucks. I thought it used to be a little more, or am I losing my memory? (too many blasts! lol)
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dude, was debating the mount for not wanting to give up my speedy mount. i didn't think about a ram mount. 2 points for bones!
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dude, was debating the mount for not wanting to give up my speedy mount. i didn't think about a ram mount. 2 points for bones!
Thanks for the positive feedback, guys. I've learned a lot from my fellow riders on the ST and Versys forums so it's good to share something that works for me with everyone else.

I sent an email to MadStad with a quick explanation and a link to this thread. Maybe they could drill the holes at the factory on future orders?


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They could also cut a radius on the adjustment brackets so that there would be no gap between the bottom of the RAM mount and the stiffening? bracket.
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I'm doing this (or similar) on my V. I also have a Zumo, and I got a new mounting bracket from gpscity (the original bracket is on the BMW). I just got the MadStad brackets, and I've had a few Ram mount pieces floating around that I wasn't really using.

With the standard Versys size/drilled windshield, the round RAM mount you've pictured won't fit because the brackets are too close together. Unless you're ok with it not being flush, because the bottom parts of the bracket on the plate get in the way. A smaller diamond shaped ram base will fit, however, and I just happened to have one. With the four inch ram arm I think the positioning will be perfect above the tachometer. I also have a locking knob for the ram arm, BUT ... I don't think it will fit. It sticks out pretty far and the sides of the bracket or the windshield might be bumping it.

I won't know till I get it all fitted. Have to see if the neighbor has a drill press, or maybe dial up my favorite machinist, or spring for some sturdier drill bits. My current set of bits didn't make a dent in the madstad metal.

One minor set-back ...

Then I also have to work out the wiring. The kit came with a wire lead long enough to go all the way back to the seat. Not sure how to wire it up myself, I may need professionals to do it for me. Can't be that hard, though. I just want to be sure it turns off with the engine and doesn't suck up any battery power.

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Then I also have to work out the wiring. The kit came with a wire lead long enough to go all the way back to the seat. Not sure how to wire it up myself, I may need professionals to do it for me. Can't be that hard, though. I just want to be sure it turns off with the engine and doesn't suck up any battery power.
A GPS draws very little current. You can tap into a switched circuit for the tail light or license plate light. Pretty easy. Put a fuse inline between the GPS and whatever wire you tap.

I got a note from MadStad about the thumb wheels that hold the shield in position. It's possible to remove them and turn them around so the wheel is on the outside. That may free up some space. The nuts get crimped just a touch so they don't fall off so it may be hard to get them off and back on, but it's supposed to be possible.

A long RAM arm combined with mounting the RAM ball nearer the top of the MadStad cross piece may enable you to position a GPS above the thumb wheels.

Let us know what you are able to work out.


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A GPS draws very little current. You can tap into a switched circuit for the tail light or license plate light. Pretty easy. Put a fuse inline between the GPS and whatever wire you tap.

I got a note from MadStad about the thumb wheels that hold the shield in position. It's possible to remove them and turn them around so the wheel is on the outside. That may free up some space. The nuts get crimped just a touch so they don't fall off so it may be hard to get them off and back on, but it's supposed to be possible.

A long RAM arm combined with mounting the RAM ball nearer the top of the MadStad cross piece may enable you to position a GPS above the thumb wheels.

Let us know what you are able to work out.
Damn, i wish i would have searched this b4 i bought a handlebar RAM mount because of the issues with the madstad bracket. I should have known someone here would have already figured it out. These forums rock!

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A slight variation

All the credit to Bone's for the idea. However, I have my Madstad set for a versys shield. Wasn't happy with the overlap on the brackets and the surface mount ball. Also I don't have a Zumo on this bike. I have a SP 2720. So there's not enough room between the brackets for the GPS. So I just took the handlebar ball mount that came with my Zumo (useless on the RT), and used it on the V.
It worked great and pulled the ball mount about 1.5 inches closer to me and gave me the bracket clearance that I needed.


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Great idea!

I've seen a RAM ball with a base shaped like an ellipse that would fit in the space with the Madstad set for a Versys shield, but your way uses parts you already paid for.


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My usual story is..... think about the problem, spend $75 on bits, mounts, bolts and other crap. Then end up using stuff that I had in my garage to start with.
I should just start out with "I have to do this with stuff in my garage".
Then the stuff I didn't need is too expensive to return, and it goes in the garage for the next project. I just tell the wife it's an "Investment".

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I just ordered a RAM handlebar mount for my GPS. I considering using a plate mount on my Madstad Versys adapter plate as described here but I was concerned about vibration, especially if I use it for a camera. It seems like the whole Madstad setup is not that rigid. Are you guys finding that this is not an issue?

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Not really. You are correct about the madstad not being as sturdy as I'd like. I have a larger Cee Bailey's touring windshield and at idle, it shakes quite a bit. Love the versys, but it vibrates like a Harley at idle (just much quieter). As for the GPS, I'm very happy with the mount position, at anything above dead stop idle, it's totally fine. A little shakey at idle, but no worse that my Zumo mounted on my RT. I think anything that mounts to the fairing structure is going to give this problem. I however love the sightline, on both bikes I can reference the GPS without taking my eyes off the road (okay mostly), and the glare is less. I started with a handlebar mount and just did not like the glare and having to look down at it. My 2 cents.

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Good to know. I guess I'll wait to try the hbar mount when the weather gets warmer but I suspect I'll ending switching to a setup similar to yours.

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For the Madstad I mounted a 3/16" thick aluminium plate between the windshield adjusting brackets that was approx. 4 3/4" long by 4 3/8" wide using the existing holes in the Madstad brackets. The Ram ball is then mounted at the top center of the plate facing the rider which puts it above the tach.
The Ram ball is similar to the one that waxrash has pictured in his post.

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