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Opinions on vortex shorty levers

Hello guys,

I am on a current farkle adventure with my Versys. I was planning on adding a supermoto to the stable but I postponed that idea till at least next year and instead decided to modify the Versys to make it more fun. So far:

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Motowerks Lowering Link
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The 3 farkles that I am looking at is shorty levers, an exhaust, and hand guards. I am not looking to break the bank but I don't want flea bay china crap. I saw these shorty levers
Vortex V3 2.0 Clutch Lever Kawasaki - RevZilla

Vortex V3 2.0 Brake Lever Kawasaki - RevZilla

And was wondering if anybody had feedback on them. I like the shorty levers because i two finger my bike like i do my women. Any feedback on the levers, exhaust, and handguards is appreciated
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I bought Ebay Chinese 'shorties' for both my Vs - a Gen 1 and a Gen 3. Work fine.

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Similar to Eddy, I got a pair of Chinese Ebay specials for under $40 for the pair. You don't need to spend 4 times that for a brand name. Just make sure you remove the one fastening metal plug and install it in the clutch lever to secure the entire unit from having too much lateral play of the lever and housing unit.

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I put Chinese shorty levers on my 2015 and they work fine, but I wasn't a fan of the clutch pull after the change. It seemed heavier to me, not by much, but enough to make me want to take them off. On the plus side, the reduced leverage on the front brake made braking much smoother and I was less prone to over-grabbing the brake. That could be experience related though, as I only have 1500 miles of seat time on any bike, not just the Versys.

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I've read where the ebay chinese levers have caused cables to snap because of design flaws. I would hate to have a cable snap while riding because I wanted to save $100
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I've read where the ebay chinese levers have caused cables to snap because of design flaws. I would hate to have a cable snap while riding because I wanted to save $100
Anything more specific than "design flaws"? I had to reuse a brass sleeve bushing from the stock levers to make these work correctly, I wonder if that is the issue? They came with zero instructions so for someone with no mechanical aptitude, I could see how that could go wrong.

I didn't like the feel of them so I removed them, just curious what the flaw is.

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Anything more specific than "design flaws"? I had to reuse a brass sleeve bushing from the stock levers to make these work correctly, I wonder if that is the issue? They came with zero instructions so for someone with no mechanical aptitude, I could see how that could go wrong.

I didn't like the feel of them so I removed them, just curious what the flaw is.

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From what I've read, the flaw was internal where the cables rub into a sharp edge everytime you engage the clutch/brake. Over time this causes the cable to wear thru and snap
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Had the Chinese eBay short levers on my 09 for years never an issue......

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Anything more specific than "design flaws"? I had to reuse a brass sleeve bushing from the stock levers to make these work correctly, I wonder if that is the issue? ....
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That's what I was referring to as the "fastening metal plug. I gave it to my favorite shop to install as I was having new brake lines put on at the same time. They failed to remove the busing from the OEM lever housing, and there was too much lateral play in the entire unit. Once they put it in it was solid, but I think my clutch problems started when the mechanic left me no slack.

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I've read where the ebay chinese levers have caused cables to snap because of design flaws. I would hate to have a cable snap while riding because I wanted to save $100
Like weljo - I have a LOT of miles among three different Vs w/ the Chinese shorty levers, and, NO problems (yet...?).

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...I didn't like the feel of them so I removed them, just curious what the flaw is....
I think you felt the clutch-pull was HIGHER because the shorter lever DECREASES the 'felt' leverage.

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I've read where the ebay chinese levers have caused cables to snap because of design flaws. I would hate to have a cable snap while riding because I wanted to save $100
Like weljo - I have a LOT of miles among three different Vs w/ the Chinese shorty levers, and, NO problems (yet...?).

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...I didn't like the feel of them so I removed them, just curious what the flaw is....
I think you felt the clutch-pull was HIGHER because the shorter lever DECREASES the 'felt' leverage, therefore increasing required force.

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+1 on these levers from China/eBay: Shorty/Long CNC Clutch Brake Lever for Kawasaki 650R 250R 300R ER6 ZX6R/9R/10R | eBay

For less than $20 delivered, you have little to lose. They are beautifully machined, no sharp edges where there shouldn't be, and at least as good as the OEM levers for adjustability. Yes, the leverage is less - so the pull is slightly more. Your call if that matters to you. Yes, you have to re-use the OEM bushing.

As an experiment, originally wondering about the pull at the shortened end, I wrapped a rubber band around each of the OEM levers at roughly the 'short' length and tested the pull over a 100 mile ride, didn't mind the feel at all. I'm very happy with this choice.

Like all M/C parts, if you do a poor installation/adjustment job, you're likely to get less than optimal results.

For hand guards, I have BB storm - which definitely take care when installing as fitment is very fussy, but work fine. On a recent ADV trip in very rocky territory, I dropped the V several times (slow speed), scratched the plastics but they didn't move at all, and I don't regret the choice. I think every major brand is represented in the comments both for and against on this forum, but I would say if you intend to ride off road at all, any guards are a good investment.

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I have to agree w/ the points from PHX_Joe.

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Like weljo - I have a LOT of miles among three different Vs w/ the Chinese shorty levers, and, NO problems (yet...?).



I think you felt the clutch-pull was HIGHER because the shorter lever DECREASES the 'felt' leverage.
Exactly! Due to the higher effort, finding the engagement point was a little more difficult for me. YMMV
It did make the brake lever easier to modulate for me, like switching to a smaller master cylinder in a hydraulic setup. Again, YMMV

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