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Soupy's adjustable kickstand anyone?

Again, Soupy does not show the stand in the up position.

It seems lighter and with almost unlimited adjustment, but at a huge price difference. But an AL CNC assembly almost could justify the markup: almost, lol.

Anyone got a pic of it in the up position? Invader??


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If you lower your V why not just run a Ninja 650 kickstand?


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If you lower your V why not just run a Ninja 650 kickstand?
That is the number one alternative, but I am not lowering it the full 1.85" and just 1.6". So I did not know how robust the Ninja kickstand was in fit ranges.

As well, with side stands, I wanted to get the most perfect (adjustable) fit since it is not as stable as a centerstand. The added weight loss would be a plus as well. But I will probably go with your suggestion since I can not see an adjustable kickstand (ever, on this site,) in the UP position. I usually like to see the optimum choice in function, but come down to Earth in picking alternatives due to price and risk factors.

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better get the photo and confirm adequate clearance to a ain't-been-adjusted-in-a-blue-moon chain. heck, the thing is billet aluminum and your chain might saw that thing clean in half within ten miles.
What are you babbling about now? Are you trying to trash any thread with Versus owners trying to find the best part at the best price?

I don't believe you own or ever have owned a (whole running) Versys. You certainly don't know a fraction of what you pretend to know. My chains are always in the bottom half of the specs as intended.

Photos are visual proof of tolerances even you should be able to understand. I really don't know what you want or how I can help you (now.) My goals are to help all Versys 650 owners make better purchasing decisions. Your goals appear to be in the opposite direction for helping you sell wrecked bikes and try to get freebies on both ends. Good luck with that.

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...My chains are always in the bottom half of the specs as intended....
Seems you mentioned having 3" of slack (slop...?) in your chain when you were having issues w/ your center-stand, UNLESS I missed something...?

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Seems you mentioned having 3" of slack (slop...?) in your chain when you were having issues w/ your center-stand, UNLESS I missed something...?
Yes you did. My TOLERANCE was [0" to over 2"] AFTER my gold DID Streetpro chain BANGED on the STEEL centerstand support for 7000 miles with only 1/64" tolerance on one side of the centerstand support.

**HINT**, I could not adjust my chain to NEGATIVE SLACK so it would be less than 2", SIMULTANEOUSLY. There were no instructions on Twisted Throttle or SW-MOTECH that said the chain had to be adjusted at the minimum tolerance due to 3rd party assembly tolerance errors.

I did not think I needed embedded work instructions beyond the pictures alone to illustrate. But maybe I did if you and JD are not just trashing an informative post on the Versys owner site with twisted logic, COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC to the thread!
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hey, offering to swap my perfectly good sidestand isn't off topic. i hope you decide to do the deal, once all the folks see how slick it looks on your Versys, i'll be able to clear out my entire inventory of ER6F sidestands in the "For Sale" section. it'll be like winning the freakin' lottery, big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, huge.

don't worry, ain't going near that sloppy chain subject. sloppy chain, no sloppy chain, sloppy chain, no sloppy chain...talk about a convoluted storyline.

almost forgot, to sweeten the deal, i'll paint the sidestand red to match your chain. how cool would that be?
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Yes you did. My TOLERANCE was [0" to over 2"] AFTER my gold DID Streetpro chain BANGED on the STEEL centerstand support for 7000 miles with only 1/64" tolerance on one side of the centerstand support--------- But maybe I did if you and JD are not just trashing an informative post on the Versys owner site with twisted logic, COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC to the thread!
Normally I would sit back and keep my opinions to myself, this is my take on your level best to inform the Versys community, of which I take pride in being part of , and in your process you are trying to prevent others from making the same mistake you made, that is commendable.

It is very rare for me to own anything that is all original, almost everything I won has had some sort of modification. Some products may be so poorly engineered that no simple modification will ever correct the problem---which seems to be what you are indicating in regards to the center stand.

Where I have a problem, is you paid to have a mechanic install this, you imply this is very dangerous, my question is twofold, was your mechanic licensed and is he or she blind? I live in the land of ice and snow, here if you ask a mechanic to install something that could cause a accident, he has the right to refuse, as he could lose his license.

In closing, I have no doubt that JD could easily make this work, and if I wanted a center stand I am sure I could make it work-------as a cautionary note Dallas Don was producing center stands, one issue was with lowered Versys ( insufficient clearance to the rear wheel and the stand would scrape the ground cornering on lowered bikes), which I have, having a center stand would make my bike extremely dangerous to ride as there are times I have cornered with the pegs starting to scrape.

One last thing, I am not implying that you lack the know how to install this stand,you admitted that when you paid a mechanic to install it, what I question is why it took almost a year to find a problem, your expertise to find fault with it, not give the supplier a chance to correct it, what was the opinion of the mechanic that installed it and does he still have his license-------and finally, suggest this is the wrong forum for the previous posters.

And that is my two cents worth!!!!

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Normally I would sit back and keep my opinions to myself, this is my take on your level best to inform the Versys community, of which I take pride in being part of , and in your process you are trying to prevent others from making the same mistake you made, that is commendable.

It is very rare for me to own anything that is all original, almost everything I won has had some sort of modification. Some products may be so poorly engineered that no simple modification will ever correct the problem---which seems to be what you are indicating in regards to the center stand.

Where I have a problem, is you paid to have a mechanic install this, you imply this is very dangerous, my question is twofold, was your mechanic licensed and is he or she blind? I live in the land of ice and snow, here if you ask a mechanic to install something that could cause a accident, he has the right to refuse, as he could lose his license.

In closing, I have no doubt that JD could easily make this work, and if I wanted a center stand I am sure I could make it work-------as a cautionary note Dallas Don was producing center stands, one issue was with lowered Versys ( insufficient clearance to the rear wheel and the stand would scrape the ground cornering on lowered bikes), which I have, having a center stand would make my bike extremely dangerous to ride as there are times I have cornered with the pegs starting to scrape.

One last thing, I am not implying that you lack the know how to install this stand,you admitted that when you paid a mechanic to install it, what I question is why it took almost a year to find a problem, your expertise to find fault with it, not give the supplier a chance to correct it, what was the opinion of the mechanic that installed it and does he still have his license-------and finally, suggest this is the wrong forum for the previous posters.

And that is my two cents worth!!!!
It was not a uniform or linear rate of deterioration. My mechanic told me before it happened; and I was cleaning and lubricating my chain every 2 to 3 days. At the end, the rate was more exponential after the chain was softly banged on the steel plate for 7000 miles. My mechanic is the top Jap bike mechanic in Orange County, CA. If your credentials are greater than that, you should be making good money.

Weight on the bike tends to hold the chain slack away from the plate that is 1/64" away from the steel plate. As well, rotation direction also gravitates the chain away from the steel plate 1/64". But if you are the expert mechanic you are claiming, then you know small 520 chains whip in acceleration and deceleration. When I tried a master link originally on my chain, it was whipped off in one day. If you think 1/64" is adequate clearance for the steel support away from the chain, then you definitely are not a mechanical engineer. But I don't think you need anything more than common sense to see that. It was subtle being well lubed and adjusted Gold DID Street pro chain, but finally the repetition of gliding over the steel plate finally crushed all the rubber inside of the chain.

My 2 cents worth. So after your assessment, you condone the steel support being 1/64" away from the chain? Well do you? That is what this all comes down to, and I did not see it clearly until I had the clean high tech chain lube dispenser. The expensive break press bends could have been replaced by standoffs making it cheaper with no bends, as WELL as adding up to an inch clearance (from 1/64" clearance.) I've only said this several times. If you feel your chain dragging rolling the wheel backwards when lubing and clearing, THAT'S a warning. If you can touch the chain to the front or back of the STEEL support with a couple of pound force, THAT'S a warning. It's too late after it starts bending uncontrollably. I doubt the centerstand support was EVER engineered since ENGINEERING tolerances are usually 1/3 to double strength and safety clearances for liability sake. Any more ADVrider engineering tips?
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My mechanic is the top Jap bike mechanic in Orange County, CA. If your credentials are greater than that, you should be making good money.

Weight on the bike tends to hold the chain slack away from the plate that is 1/64" away from the steel plate. As well, rotation direction also gravitates the chain away from the steel plate 1/64". But if you are the expert mechanic you are claiming, then you know small 520 chains whip in acceleration and deceleration. When I tried a master link originally on my chain, it was whipped off in one day. If you think 1/64" is adequate clearance for the steel support away from the chain, then you definitely are not a mechanical engineer. But I don't think you need anything more than common sense to see that. It was subtle being well lubed and adjusted Gold DID Street pro chain, but finally the repetition of gliding over the steel plate finally crushed all the rubber inside of the chain.

My 2 cents worth. So after your assessment, you condone the steel support being 1/64" away from the chain? Well do you? That is what this all comes down to, and I did not see it clearly until I had the clean high tech chain lube dispenser. The expensive break press bends could have been replaced by standoffs making it cheaper with no bends, as WELL as adding up to an inch clearance (from 1/64" clearance.) I've only said this several times. If you feel your chain dragging rolling the wheel backwards when lubing and clearing, THAT'S a warning. If you can touch the chain to the front or back of the STEEL support with a couple of pound force, THAT'S a warning. It's too late after it starts bending uncontrollably. I doubt the centerstand support was EVER engineered since ENGINEERING tolerances are usually 1/3 to double strength and safety clearances for liability sake. Any more ADVrider engineering tips?
I have highlighted several things---first I am not a engineer, I am retired but still consulting, my specialty is inverters, motor and motor controls, I have contributed to this site since joining, in the electrical expertise section, this is my way of paying forward--and I am very well compensated for what I do.

What I find puzzling is you started a new thread, twisted throttle have posted and offered their help, judging by much of this last post of yours, it would seem you know what is needed to correct it, why not work with them. I always say whenever I am introduced to a new customer that I am a Specialist not a expert. A specialist specializes in a particular field, is always learning and will never know everything, a Expert implies this is a person that knows everything there ever will be to know about the subject. I am 66 and still learning.

I find it incredible that you claim to have common sense, you posted you blew a master link in one day, I assume this is a quick link not riveted link--my question is do you have a death wish or was this embellishment of the facts----------also most times the "O" rings fail due to chain misalignment and poor adjustment--------I do a lot of engine braking, which causes extra wear on the chain and sprockets, I am on 30,000 KM of the original chain and sprockets. This winter I plan on changing it out, though it would probably go another 20,000 KM--so I need to check the valve clearance and do a throttle-body sync ---I should mention I am running a 16 tooth rubber dampened front.

So I will repeat what I said, if you want to contribute to this site, why not work with twisted throttle, post whether good or bad, ----I make mistakes and have purposely left my mistakes in the posting and pointed this out--I am human, a co-worker use to say " if you aren't making any mistakes you aren't working"
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...**HINT**, I could not adjust my chain to NEGATIVE SLACK so it would be less than 2", SIMULTANEOUSLY. There were no instructions on Twisted Throttle or SW-MOTECH that said the chain had to be adjusted at the minimum tolerance due to 3rd party assembly tolerance errors....
WITHOUT getting into some VG posts from Glen and Dave - IF I understand your question about...
" I could not adjust my chain to NEGATIVE SLACK..."
do you mean that you could NOT DECREASE the slack? If so - the methods I (and MANY others) use to do that... - is to loosen the axle, then stick a screwdriver between the chain and sprocket, THEN turn the wheel foreward until you reach the tightness you require, then RETIGHTEN the axle.

Now, OF COURSE - IF this isn't what you're looking for, disregard my post....


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WITHOUT getting into some VG posts from Glen and Dave - IF I understand your question about...
" I could not adjust my chain to NEGATIVE SLACK..."
do you mean that you could NOT DECREASE the slack? If so - the methods I (and MANY others) use to do that... - is to loosen the axle, then stick a screwdriver between the chain and sprocket, THEN turn the wheel foreward until you reach the tightness you require, then RETIGHTEN the axle.

Now, OF COURSE - IF this isn't what you're looking for, disregard my post....

I think what he means by negative slack is that he cannot adjust the chain to a physical impossibility, where the chain would sag against gravity. But, again, I could be wrong.


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