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Brakes...

I would sure like to improve the feel of these brakes. At first the gear box bothered me the most on the Versys, but now I've gotten used to all of it's quirks and have the shifting down (mostly, I still miss the occasional shift). However, the brakes really lack any feel and I find that I have to really squeeze on the front to get it to stop quickly. Tonight I grabbed too much rear brake (an old lady began coming out of her driveway, I treat everybody like they want to kill me) and the bike began to fish tail on me. I've never had such issues with any of my other bikes. To be fair, I might need to increase the preload on the forks to help with braking.

This is such a SWEET bike, Kawasaki should definitely upgrade the brakes a bit to give the rider some feedback. A couple days ago I came up on The Man and locked the front for just a fraction of a second. It's like, you've got to pull hard to stop fast, but it's hard to feel what's going on up there.

Has anybody found any cures fixes or tips to help make the brakes feel better? Do the Galfer Stainless lines help any (one poster here said his stainless lines didn't really help)? Any after market pads out yet? I wonder how much trouble it would be to fit some Brembos or higher end Japanese calipers on the Versys. I've got Brembos on my Husky and it seems like I can always feel exactly whats going on and modulate the braking perfectly to get maximum stopping power just short of locking up the wheels when needed. The brakes on the Versys don't even come close, all you feel is mush.

Other than that... I love the bike. Some better brakes would be icing on the cake (and should have come with the bike IMHO!).

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Simply switching to Vesrah (Japan) sintered metal brakes pads did the trick. ($30 per side in Canada) Some have tried upgrading to braided stainless steel lines, and got very little improvement for the money. I'll also upgrade to Motul's synthetic long-life DOT 5.1. (Do NOT use silicone based DOT 5) The wooden feel comes mostly from the stock Tokico pads...
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Thanks invader! I'm going to try and find some right now.
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Kool... Are you in USA?
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Uhuh, in Maryland.
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Are the pads the same as for a Ninja 650R?
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I bought a set of EBC double-H pads and ordered the stainless lines the other day for the exact same reason. I have yet to change the pads but I'm hoping for some improvement.

I took a Monster 696 out today at the Ducati dealership and would now love to find a Brembo kit for the V.
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Are the pads the same as for a Ninja 650R?
Yes. I got mine listed for the Ninja 650R (EX650). Vesrah Sintered Metal Pad part numbers:
Front Right: VD-435JL
Front Left: VD-352JL
Rear: VD-434JL

OEM Tokico pads are also 'HH' rated... I really like the sound my Vesrah pads make, as well as their performance.

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I have Vesrah SRJL pads on my trackbike and they will stand the bike on its nose with one finger, no problem. I'm very happy to hear they make sintered pads that can be used on the Versys.

I do find the stock brakes a little weak on the V.

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Yes. I got mine listed for the Ninja 650R (EX650). Vesrah Sintered Metal Pad part numbers:
Front Right: VD-435JL
Front Left: VD-352JL
Rear: VD-434JL

OEM Tokico pads are also 'HH' rated... I really like the sound my Vesrah pads make, as well as their performance.
Sorry to sound dumb, but what does the 'HH' rating mean?
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Sorry to sound dumb, but what does the 'HH' rating mean?
It's the "friction rating" - I guess it's to give consumers something to compare pads to each other.

From EBC's website http://www.ebcbrakes.com/mb-streetbikes.html:

These pads benefit from the highest friction HH rating for maximum stopping power, made from sintered copper alloy like original pads for longer life and perfect braking under all riding conditions, wet, dry, hot or cold.
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I had a chance to try the new EBC pads today for about 50 miles of mixed back-roads and secondary highway - they make a big difference and the braking is much more immediate now. I would definitely recommend them.

In case anyone is interested, the part numbers for the fronts are:

EBC FA231HH
EBC FA229HH

You'll need one of each to do the front two calipers.
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