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R-1 shock with Speedy's lowering kit

Just installed a WR series lowering kit from Speedy, and the clearance with the R-1 shock reservoir looks very tight.
Naturally the spring is installed on the shock as I had it installed prior to the kit, and now I cannot fully compress the shock to check clearance

I already trimmed the black plastic bit

Does anyone else have this setup and and issues with clearance on full travel?
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Mine aren't lowered, but I have trimmed the plastic piece, and I don't see that there would be contact w/ hard parts w/ the R1 shock.

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The plastic bit was trimmed before lowering and now it is drastically trimmed
Those hard parts look very close now, and unfortunately I do not have the spring compressor any longer to test the clearance
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Looks pretty close
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I take back my comment - it looks closer in your pics then I imagined!

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Anyone else have this mod - Speedy 47mm lowering kit with a R-1 shock?
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Got a couple of large mates over yesterday and completely compressed the rear suspension. The shock reservoir hit the bracket that holds the trimmed plastic piece, so out with the grinder and lopped off the offending corner. Trimmed the plastic bit more and relocated the rear mounting mole as high up as possible

The shock now nudges the plastic box holding the fuses but I think that I can live with that the odd time it bottoms out and the long therm plan is to relocate the fuse box.

This is part of the mod described in my thread on radial brakes, http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ad.php?t=49777and in retrospect, I should just have bought a Maxxton or Ohlins rear shock for an ER6 to match the new ZX6R forks and not bothered with the Motowerk kit. As usual I did not think of this until all was said and spent
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trying to install one and so far the spring on the R1 is way too soft and clearance is a probelm. Still on the Table working it out....
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This is all well documented on this forum, and not much to work out. Search and see

Yes the stock R-1 spring is too soft due to the linkage arrangement. How much too soft depends on the year of R-1 you are using.

The correct spring is dependent on your weight. I am 78 Kg and using a slightly progressive spring 13.4 kg/mm progressing to 16 kg/mm over a 50mm range. I do not carry a passenger, but sometimes have loaded panniers and a lightly loaded top box so the progressive spring is better for my application

Cannon Racecraft in the USA made it for me

I recall reading here that one of the big Yamaha cruisers has a spring that might work depending on your weight and is a cheap alternative to a custom spring
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This is all well documented on this forum, and not much to work out. Search and see

Yes the stock R-1 spring is too soft due to the linkage arrangement. How much too soft depends on the year of R-1 you are using.

The correct spring is dependent on your weight. I am 78 Kg and using a slightly progressive spring 13.4 kg/mm progressing to 16 kg/mm over a 50mm range. I do not carry a passenger, but sometimes have loaded panniers and a lightly loaded top box so the progressive spring is better for my application

Cannon Racecraft in the USA made it for me

I recall reading here that one of the big Yamaha cruisers has a spring that might work depending on your weight and is a cheap alternative to a custom spring
I am opting for my original versys spring which is much better. Will keep posted .

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trying to install one and so far the spring on the R1 is way too soft and clearance is a probelm. Still on the Table working it out....
You need to change springs - I use 13.8kg/mm ones on both Vs. I'm 180 pounds.

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I've been lurking on this thread and other suspension mod threads for a few days. I'll call myself a noob as I haven't ridden in 32 years but have recently picked up an '08 Versys. As luck would have it, my back went out on me the day after I got it, (nothing to do with the bike).

After a month, the back felt a lot better so I took it for a 40 mile spin yesterday. I hadn't done any suspension adjustments (stock) but did notice the rear spring setting was 2 clicks up from the softest. I rode probably 15 of those miles on a very rough back roads and it felt like a %$#@ing hard tail. I do think my back is still sensitive but jeez louise !

In talking to buds with other bikes (FJR 1300, Aprilia Tuono) they say their bikes are comfy on the bumpy crap. Another with a Ducati Streetfighter suffers on the bumps.

When I got home I put it on the softest spring and dampening settings and will try riding again when my back recovers. Hopefully it'll be smooth as a baby's_____ but I'm skeptical based on what I've read here.

I would be willing to do some mods if necessary. Is the consensus that the rear shock/spring set up is too hard on the versys? I weigh 160 -165 lbs. depending on eating habits. The Racetech site says the stock spring rate on the versys is 16.7kg and when I type in my weight on their calculator, they recommend 16.9. I don't get it.

I've heard folks say the R1 shock and/or the speedy lowering kit improves the ride but haven't heard specifics in just HOW it improves. Over bumps? hard carving?

Is anybody happy with their rear suspension mod in smoothing out the bumps? On a scale of 1-10 how much improvement are we talking about here?

Racetech has a variety of springs available for the V, why not just re-spring with one of theirs and save the trouble of fitting an R1 shock?

Thanks for humoring me on this coming in late in the conversation and all.
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The original R1 shock.

Rework in progress and will update on completion.
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...I've heard folks say the R1 shock and/or the speedy lowering kit improves the ride but haven't heard specifics in just HOW it improves. Over bumps? hard carving?

Is anybody happy with their rear suspension mod in smoothing out the bumps? On a scale of 1-10 how much improvement are we talking about here?

Racetech has a variety of springs available for the V, why not just re-spring with one of theirs and save the trouble of fitting an R1 shock?
Dave - the R-1 shock w/ the correct spring (mine's a 13.8kg/mm, and I'm 180# before going ATGATT!) makes the ride PLUSH. It's a HUGE improvement over stock, because then you have adjustable rebound and compression damping as well as spring pre-load (one of the dampings is BOTH hi-speed and low-speed adjustable). I also changed fork oil to ATF which in my case made the front end better. Also, my "sag" is about 45mm.

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Here is the final fit on the R1 shock with original Versys spring.




and the extra bush for R1 fitting;


Now I need to get some ride done to feel what R1 shock is all about.
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Did a 150Km ride today with mix roads and the suspension feel good. Real nice dampering on bumps and very confortable to ride.

Worth the trouble and it cost les than the original Olin..
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David,
a lot of guys about your size are able to ride the Versys with stock suspension and be fine, others find that they want to improve it. Gustavo did a nice post on it back in the day-
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ead.php?t=705&

I followed his lead and was able to get what I felt was reasonably compliant suspension that still held up in spirited riding, solo rider sometimes with gear for camping. I changed no parts, as I was able to achieve good sag measurements with the stock stuff. At 27k miles my stock shock was pretty sacked out and I replaced with an Ohlins. The Ohlins is sprung to your spec and bolts right up. As Hogshead realized eventually, it is a much better option for a lowered bike. I think it's a better option, period. But some people like to be more "involved" in improving their bike. Nothing wrong with that, tales of adversity make better reading!
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Now I need to get some ride done to feel what R1 shock is all about.
Where did you get those bushings for the R1 shock from?

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Where did you get those bushings for the R1 shock from?
Got a friend to machine it for me and nothing in the market for that size / shape.

Worth the trouble as i really enjoy the smooth ride, its like air suspension.
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Where did you get those bushings for the R1 shock from?
One bushing is 'soft' and I drilled mine out (by 1/64" steps) on my drill press. For the other 'HARD' end I got some bushings made at a machine shop rather than trying to open them up myself.

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