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44t today

Hi all -

I've seen the thread a lot, but want to +1 all 44t recommendations. I had it put on (with a set of new battleax tires)..paid 104 and 116 at the dealer for them which I think is a decent price.

Anyway, the bike really feels wonderful and my speedo (with GPS verfication) is spot on til 55, 1 off at 60 - 65 and 2mph off at 70, but a lot better than before...the bike does not have the immediate drop off in accelleration when backing off the throttle, which was always a bit annoying to me.

Very little loss of torque, and 1st gear is finally more than a tossaway 2 second shift.

Anyone thinking about it - I believe it is my best farkle yet - I wish I had not waited a year.


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Welcome to the 44t club...I love this gearing too...the V should come from the factory with a 44t
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Arrgh!! I've been following the threads concerning 44 and 43 tooth rear sprockets, and every time I think I've finally decided on which to get, I read more posts about how much people like the sprocket I decided against!!

As it stands now, the GPS tells me I'm going 4 and 5 mph slower than the speedometer indicates - at speeds above 50 or so, and as speed increases so does the variance. Maybe I should buy one 44 tooth and one 43 tooth and test myself into a rubber room. I think I'm going to drive myself nuts trying to chose one over the other.

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Arrgh!! I've been following the threads concerning 44 and 43 tooth rear sprockets, and every time I think I've finally decided on which to get, I read more posts about how much people like the sprocket I decided against!!

As it stands now, the GPS tells me I'm going 4 and 5 mph slower than the speedometer indicates - at speeds above 50 or so, and as speed increases so does the variance. Maybe I should buy one 44 tooth and one 43 tooth and test myself into a rubber room. I think I'm going to drive myself nuts trying to chose one over the other.
Do what I do in cases like this - get both! Try them out, one week on 44T, the next week on the 43T. Later, you can either sell the one you don't want on the forum or ebay.

If you buy one, my vote would be for the 16T, because it's inbetween the 44 and the 43, but closer to the 44. Problem solved.
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Do what I do in cases like this - get both! Try them out, one week on 44T, the next week on the 43T. Later, you can either sell the one you don't want on the forum or ebay.

If you buy one, my vote would be for the 16T, because it's inbetween the 44 and the 43, but closer to the 44. Problem solved.
I thought the 16t front was closer to the 43t rear and alot harder to change then the rear. I went with the 44t rear and have not looked back!

If you have the time and $$$ I would get and try both and go with what is best for you, good luck.
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I run a 43T (mostly commuting, not much hooliganing) but I will switch to a 44T when my chain and sprockets are due.
The 43T is just a tad too tall for my taste.
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After doing a lot of reading on the forum I decided to go with a 44 tooth
rear sprocket, received it about a week ago after waiting almost 3 months.
(on back-order) from sprocket center, haven't been able to ride yet.
I sent my seat to Spencer's in Florida. really looking forward to riding with the new gear.

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I got my 44t sprocket sitting in my living room all ready to go. Although I may be going to the drag strip with the bike so I think the stock one will launch me faster.
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Good review. Now you made me impatient to put on the 44T. Gonna do it at the 600 mile oil change.

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Welcome to the 44t club...I love this gearing too...the V should come from the factory with a 44t

+10 BTW what series of the Battleax did you put on-BT016 or BT023?

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If you buy one, my vote would be for the 16T, because it's inbetween the 44 and the 43, but closer to the 44.
That is absolutely wrong...a 16t counter is very tall gearing much closer to a 43 or 42...nothing like how the 44t feels...I know because I've tried both.
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+10 BTW what series of the Battleax did you put on-BT016 or BT023?

I normally run 16s and they work and feel superb, problem is life...only good for 2500 miles or so. This time I have mounted the 23s and so far they get a good rating, not great though as they cause the bike to turn in a little slower. This may be offset by the longer tire life they promise, if they get me 5k or more I will be happy.
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the 16T, because it's inbetween the 44 and the 43, but closer to the 44.
Actually, 16 in front is closer to 43 in rear, see below.

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That is absolutely wrong...a 16t counter is very tall gearing much closer to a 43 or 42...nothing like how the 44t feels...I know because I've tried both.
Here are the gear ratios on front and rear sprocket combinations, starting with OEM, and how much the ratio is different than OEM:

Sprockets: ratio - different from OEM
15T-46T: 3.067 - 0%
15T-44T: 2.933 - 4.3% taller
16T-46T: 2.875 - 6.2% taller
15T-43T: 2.867 - 6.5% taller

As you can see, 16-46 is very very close to 15-43.
15-43 is 0.3% taller than 16-46.
15-44 is 2% shorter than 16-46.

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Actually, 16 in front is closer to 43 in rear, see below.



Here are the gear ratios on front and rear sprocket combinations, starting with OEM, and how much the ratio is different than OEM:

Sprockets: ratio - different from OEM
15T-46T: 3.067 - 0%
15T-44T: 2.933 - 4.3% taller
16T-46T: 2.875 - 6.2% taller
15T-43T: 2.867 - 6.5% taller

As you can see, 16-46 is very very close to 15-43.
15-43 is 0.3% taller than 16-46.
15-44 is 2% shorter than 16-46.
I'm entering an area that I'm not very comfortable with (mathematical ratios) and will probably demonstrate my ignorance by asking a question. With apologies to mathematicians, I'm a hstorian by education (and that was a while ago). Now that I'm retired I don't have to know anything!

Let's see if my logic holds any water. If a 15T-43T combination is 6.5% taller than stock, does it follow that the none-too-accurate speedometer reading (with OEM gearing) would be increased by 6.5%?

With stock gearing my speedometer reading at 60 mph is actally 56 according to the GPS. A 6.5% improvement would result in a speedometer reading of 59.64 mph, which strikes me as more accurate than the 15T-44T combo (58.4 mph). Or am I just being anal? I can say anal, can't I?



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Yes Mr. Historian (HistArion?), you would be correct. I currently run 15-43 and the speedo on my Versys reads just over 1 mph lower than my GPS (which I assume is correct when not accelerating or decelerating).
My odometer is off by the same amount: It will read 6.5% less than actual miles traveled.

I would suggest that you pick (or try) a gear ratio based on how the Versys feels or rides, not how close you can get to the speedo to actual speed.

And yes you can say anal, you just can't say the closely related ass.

Edit: Oh. I guess you can.
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What are you going for...gearing to make your speedo read perfectly??? I don't get it. Here it is in a nut...16t sluggish and great for commuting I guess, 44t a blast and great for smiling under your helmet.
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What are you going for...gearing to make your speedo read perfectly??? I don't get it. Here it is in a nut...16t sluggish and great for commuting I guess, 44t a blast and great for smiling under your helmet.
Agreed, that is a compelling argument.

I believe I will switch out to a 44 T as my stock sprockets (does this remind anyone else of SNL) and chain are likely due to be retired soon.
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A probably-already-asked chain question on the 44T, will I need a new one or can I adjust it accordingly with the existing?

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A probably-already-asked chain question on the 44T, will I need a new one or can I adjust it accordingly with the existing?
You can adjust accordingly, no need for a different chain or link-count.
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