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Versys suspesion settings in mag review

I read a long term evaluation of the 08 Versys a while back. They raved about the bike but one issues confounded me. Instead of upgrading the suspension they took it to a suspension specialist . They reduced preload to the min setting and backed off all the damping. They claimed this made a big improvement. They did not provide a rider weight but the testers shown riding the bike I would guess are in the 160-170lb range. Are these guys screwed up or is there some truth in what they are saying?
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I would say that there is some merit in what they said and what you read!
I have done exactly as stated in the review you mentioned. I backed off on both the rear shock preload and the fork preload, and reduced the dampening also.
Gave a smoother ride, but if you hit some sizeable bumps, dips, or other radical roadway/trail surface defects, you may bottom out the suspension. Personally I like what was my final settings.
Try it, you may like it!
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I read a long term evaluation of the 08 Versys a while back. They raved about the bike but one issues confounded me. Instead of upgrading the suspension they took it to a suspension specialist . They reduced preload to the min setting and backed off all the damping. They claimed this made a big improvement. They did not provide a rider weight but the testers shown riding the bike I would guess are in the 160-170lb range. Are these guys screwed up or is there some truth in what they are saying?

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From what they said in the article those settings were to take care of the bike in corners where stutter-bumps were encountered. Kept the bike more planted.

This will in turn allow the bike to wallow in gradual dips and swells however.

There should be a consideration is settings correlating to how and where you ride. A stiffer overall setting with higher rates would allow for faster turn-in, faster entries, exits, and more ability to correct while tracking in a curve.

They also didn't have anything good to say about the stock 221's in the wet.

Be careful softening up too much, too much sag and little damping/preload can take out seals ... The versys is a forgiving setup though as it has a lot of travel. compared to other standard bikes

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Can you please post the article?
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The stock tyres the only place that they can be installed, is the garbage box
I have them only for the brake in period(~1000km), then i throw them away

As for the preload, always it must be adjusted for the rider of the bike
The preload is a RULE, all the other can be as the rider wants
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Preload is there to set it like the rider likes it; same with dampers. Play with both until they suit YOU, not some expert (magazine type , or self ordained).

Be safe and enjoy the ride!!!!
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Preload is there to set it like the rider likes it; same with dampers. Play with both until they suit YOU, not some expert (magazine type , or self ordained).

Be safe and enjoy the ride!!!!

Preload must be set based to RIDER WEIGHT
THEN you can set rebound & compression based to how you drive or what you want
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I'm a bigger type guy, 6-2, about 280lbs. I had my local speedshop set up my suspension for my weight. The shop said that for day to day street riding, the stop spring will be fine, but if I ever want to start doing track days or anything type of really aggressive riding I would to upgrade the fork and shock springs. May be next year I will save some money and upgrade the springs.

Overall I very happy with the way the bike handles now. It's my daily commuter, and weekend fun bike.

What would be a good all round commuter tire be? I need a four season tire. When the stocks ones are done, I have been looking at the road pilot 2 or 3's.

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Preload must be set based to RIDER WEIGHT
THEN you can set rebound & compression based to how you drive or what you want
Not unless someone promoted you to King. It is ADJUSTABLE, put where ever the rider wants it. I assure you no one else will know or care. Imaginary rules are just that.
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Not unless someone promoted you to King. It is ADJUSTABLE, put where ever the rider wants it. I assure you no one else will know or care. Imaginary rules are just that.
Ι am talking for SPORT riding

If someone bought Versys to do 40mph commuting, then you can do what the god lights you.......
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You could have said:
Preload setting is a function of RIDER WEIGHT.

Most people I suspect will just "play around with it" till it feels best to them.
I am heavy guy and the suspension hardly compresses on the lowest preload setting.
If people want to get some technical perspective on the settings thats all cool.

I'd suggest non technical starting point use the lowest preload with enough damping to eliminate any perceived bounce. And increase up from that as needed. If it's a new bike the suspension will soften some with use.

I'm a generally legal paced rider, looking for overall comfort and to keep the rubber on the road. Increasing the preload would just cause the rear wheel to skip and dewieght on rough pavement. So my experience is similar to what the article suggests.

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Preload must be set based to RIDER WEIGHT
THEN you can set rebound & compression based to how you drive or what you want

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Rider weight does of course have an impact on what preload setting will be found to be to his liking, to suit his particular conditions and riding style as well as possible... I found the best compliancy at #3 rear pleload (210 lbs solo, 10 clicks out rebound damping), which is just enough to prevent bottoming out too hard. Forks had to be a maximum preload too to prevent bottoming out hard.
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Ι am talking for SPORT riding

If someone bought Versys to do 40mph commuting, then you can do what the god lights you.......
Ahh, so you fall into the self ordained category??
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I've read a few articles on suspension tuning but am far from being an expert but am learning. From what I have read they all say the same thing. Preload does not effect suspension stiffness, you need to swap the spring with a spring of a differing spring rate to do this. What it does do is raise or lower the middle point in the suspension travel so if it is properly set you have the best compromise to prevent bottoming and topping out. Not enough preload means the bike will bottom out more easily, too much preload is bad and can make the bike top on bumps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_(motorcycle)

Lots of articles on the internet on how to do this.

On my prior bike I changed the front and rear springs. Used a on line tool on the race tech site to calculate the ideal spring rate for my weight+weight of bike. It made a world of difference in the handling but then again it was on a Ninja 500 which is grossly under sprung for a 180lb rider. I found the stock Versys I've ridden on test drives, have not yet got to ride my new Versys, was great in the factory setting but am going to fool around with setting over the riding season to see if any improvement is possible starting with setting up preload for ~1/3 (of total travel) sag with me on it.

Does anyone know the stock spring rates for front and rear?

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Not unless someone promoted you to King. It is ADJUSTABLE, put where ever the rider wants it. I assure you no one else will know or care. Imaginary rules are just that.
except that in this case, After is correct. the whole point of preload is to give your suspension the best chance of riding near the middle of it's travel, based on the load on the bike.. not rider style, aggressiveness, feel, or anything else quite so subjective. You are of course free to set it up however you want, but if you go one side or the other (over or under preload), your just using up available travel unnecessarily and creating opportunity for bottom, or top out condition.
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I need to take my bike to a pro.

I commute pretty much freeway to work. but coming home I hit the hills and fun stuff that wouldnt be a 3am. :teeth


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I've ended up leaving my suspension at pretty much the stock settings. It's just so much better than my previous bike, a Ninja 500 (even with the RaceTech cartridge emulators and after market springs I had added). I what I like best is the fact the Versys does not wallow at higher speeds like so many other bikes I've have ridden including, surprise - the Ninja 650 (could have been how this particular bike was set up - don't know for certain). Note I'm a pavement only rider rider right now. There is probably room for improvement/tweaking but I am happy enough now I've decided just to leave the settings where they are now.

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