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post #21 of 41 (permalink) Old 03-18-2017, 01:16 AM
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heres what I know for sure...... TKC... good, K60... bad. this by a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg margin

if I'm answering your question I assume the basic points have been addressed, such as: did you do a compression test? is it still on fire?
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heres what I know for sure...... TKC... good, K60... bad. this by a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg margin
Euh, no. Apples and oranges.

TKC80 is barely at most fair, as a fallback if you cannot find anything else. It's expensive and short lasting, and it looses instantly compared to shinko 805, metzeller Karoo3, or dunlop 606, in the same 50/50 (perhaps 60/40) category.

K60 scout is excellent --> for an 80/20! On the basis of lifespan and the humble grip in sand.
But no good for what it claims to be (70/30 or 60/40) because of the grip-less center strip in all other terrain.
(talking about a 150/70 rear of course; otherwise, without a centre strip, it compares yet beats the mitas e07).

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the TKC does wear faster.... thats why it grips the pavement so well for a tire with big knobs. thats the price you pay. I liked the 606 on the back, not on the front. I don't have much experience with the Sahara 3 but it seemed like a good tire. I like the MT21 a lot. but none of that was the question..... its about the K60..... a tire that sucks donkey balls

if I'm answering your question I assume the basic points have been addressed, such as: did you do a compression test? is it still on fire?

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about the K60..... a tire that sucks donkey balls
if you could justify your claim, your opinion might actually begin to matter.
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if you could justify your claim, your opinion might actually begin to matter.
how about the opinion of the manager of one of the largest MC dealers in Alaska, they sell thousands of DS type tires to seasonal riders traveling the northern routes. i watch bike forum traffic from that area, lots of useful info, including tires.

"...and we stock plenty of TKC-80s and TKC-70s as well as a bunch of other ADV tires. I can confirm we are no longer stocking many Heidenaus because we consider them a safety liability, and about 25% of the tires we receive from them are damaged or unusable." the other large Anchorage dealer quit Heidenaus too.

as far as the TKC80, i've used up a dozen sets of these tires, how about you? should your opinion on the TKC80 tire matter to me?

i've also run the Shinko 804/805, and the only reason they're on the bike now is price...they're cheap, at least they have that going for them, but offer no advantage in any other area, including miles.
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how about the opinion of the manager of one of the largest MC dealers in Alaska, they sell thousands of DS type tires to seasonal riders traveling the northern routes. i watch bike forum traffic from that area, lots of useful info, including tires.

"...and we stock plenty of TKC-80s and TKC-70s as well as a bunch of other ADV tires. I can confirm we are no longer stocking many Heidenaus because we consider them a safety liability, and about 25% of the tires we receive from them are damaged or unusable." the other large Anchorage dealer quit Heidenaus too.

as far as the TKC80, i've used up a dozen sets of these tires, how about you? should your opinion on the TKC80 tire matter to me?

i've also run the Shinko 804/805, and the only reason they're on the bike now is price...they're cheap, at least they have that going for them, but offer no advantage in any other area, including miles.

Saying that 25% of what you get is damaged is a sad fact (getting chinese clones?), but doesn't explain how an undamaged k60 tire is bad. I don't love it. I did write that I don't like it because the low traction from the continuous centrer strip (for the relevant size that has it), if the purpose was to serve as a 50/50. But as a 80/20, this tire is damn good and I have not read one reason that would deter a buyer. It's about being objective as possible until delivering the subjective evaluation.

And if your opinion is not based on facts, measurements or plausible logic, then no it doesn't matter. Sorry.
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ya, right there... I would say the K65 is better described as 80/20. the only thing they have going is long wear. I had them on my BMW1150 and F650 at one time and did not like them. I've run TKCs a bunch on my GS and KLR and have nothing but good to say about how they handle. 3k on the back is about all I could get, so ya, gets expensive. I have extra rear wheels though & run a Tourance when I don't absolutely need the TKC.

if you want an 80/20.... try a Tourance (on the back)... surprisingly good off road unless its muddy. they run as long as pretty much any tire out there. lot of GS guys run the Tourance on the back & TKC up front.

no front tire I ever used vibrated as bad, wobbled, or made more noise than the K60. I only ran the second set because they were new and someone gave them to me.

edit: I have a friend that runs TKCs until they are paper thin & gets like 5k miles out of the rear. he's 6'5" & rides hard on an 1150GS. I won't run them any tire that bald, so 3k, 3500 & they are done for me. the only big knob tire I trust and love as much as the TKC is the Pirelli MT21

if I'm answering your question I assume the basic points have been addressed, such as: did you do a compression test? is it still on fire?

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After all I've read, I've recently purchased 705's for the front and rear. I figure I can switch up for the price, if I don't like them (under $200/set). I really want the knobby look of the TKC 80, but would prefer not to change the rear in the middle of the summer, due to the miles I drive back and forth to the shop. I'll be pounding the pavement for 50 plus miles one way, with just under 10 on gravel roads, depending on the scenery I want. Sounds like the Shinko's are the best mix. The boss (wife) only had a slight frown when I told her how much I spent, so BONUS! I figure now she'll let me get a skid plate to protect my now much safer, investment. Youngest was just accepted to MSU, so I have 6 months to accessorize before the well dries up!!!!
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The well just dried up. Within the last 5 minutes, the boss (wife) just informed me we bought a new Suburban PREMIERE, because tuition to Michigan State obviously wasn't enough. You know, need the extra room with only the 2 of us left in the household. I guess the full size Silverado was just too small. @&$";:/--!!!!!!!!
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I guess the skid plate is off
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Replaced my rear anakee 3 with a shinko 705 today and another tkc 80 up front. The anakee 3 is a great tire on the road but I need a bit more off road capability and the 705 should be good. I would prefer a 804/805 up front but currently not doable as it would require a front fender lift on my 2015 which is more difficult than the V1/V2's. Had close to 7k miles on the front tkc80 and 10k on the anakee 3.
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-I will get a 150/70 Metzeller karoo3[/B]. it is like shinko 805 but even better mileage.

-I will get a shinko 705 as 120/70 front[/B]. It has a fair side grip judging by the threads shape. It is the only choice for front (I wouldn't bother with the pirelli MT60, I cannot get it and it's not getting good reviews.)
Turns out I didn't.

I've put a tkc80 in front, despite the mileage warnings. Well, amazing grip of course. Wear is not as bad as I thought, since it is in front. 5000km in, I estimate to reach 9000km, since sides are not too worn and I'm looking for side traction. I will never know because I'll remove it with the rear...



I've put an Anakee wild on the rear at the same time, amazing grip in every direction, for now... At 5000km it is 70% gone (7mm out of 10mm). I estimate to reach 7000km before it doesn't grip enough, 8000km before it is dangerous and wear between the knobs. This is a big disappointment on thread life they advertised.



I will be torn with the same question form the next front: tkc80 or 705.

I will put a mitas e07 for next rear. I'm following reviews and it fits my upcoming needs (trip).

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Lostonwheels, Are you using a tube in the TKC80 120/90-17 rear tire on front? I see where some say it can be run tubeless? Thanks
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TKCs are tubeless design. the only reason to tube them is if you have traditional spoke wheels that are not designed for tubeless

if I'm answering your question I assume the basic points have been addressed, such as: did you do a compression test? is it still on fire?
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I run Avon Trailriders on my 650 and can speak about them.First,theyre not a real off road tire,probably a 90/10.But I don't ride off road much,the odd FSR and stuff when needed.My style of riding I favour is secondary pavement,with twisties which I love to get in there and attack with a fresh mind.They are great for that,very sticky if you hit some loose gravel on a corner for instance.Seem to grab better on tar squiggles.For my style,they are great.M+S,first rear lasted 20K,front still looks good at 25K..
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resurrected thread. i recently put shinko 705's on the V. 120/70 front, 150/70 rear. so far very pleased with performance, price, wear. for years ran 150/70 tourance (original) on the rear, avon distanzia front. they worked great but the distanzia is gone and i got tired of being reamed cash wise. more quick to turn in than my old combo.
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resurrected thread. i recently put shinko 705's on the V. 120/70 front, 150/70 rear. so far very pleased with performance, price, wear. for years ran 150/70 tourance (original) on the rear, avon distanzia front. they worked great but the distanzia is gone and i got tired of being reamed cash wise. more quick to turn in than my old combo.
I have to agree.

It's nice not paying what those Tourance tires cost.

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Further ressurection, TKC 80 Front should be a unanimous pick.


If you want off road grip on back but with soft enough rubber to bite on road, get a Shinko 805. If you want a tire that lasts a while because you take long trips or commute, K60 is an excellent long road tire that won't be entirely out of place off road. Shinko 705 Wears slightly better than a Shinko 805 and is quieter, but is no where near the grip level.

The problem with owning a Versys is if you want to replace it with noticeable improvement, you either need a Ninja 1000 or a Husqvarna 501.
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Settled on and purchased 705's front and rear. I figure I'll be on the e-way the majority of the time and they seem to be a great all around tire especially for the money.
So how did the 705s work for your purpose?
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