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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 01-07-2016, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
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Valve recall

Malaysia has a silent recall policy for valve issues on the 2010 + Versys due to bad valves. Not sure exactly what is bad, but the talk here from Malaysian riders is that Kawi is doing top end jobs to rectify the problem

These bikes are made in Thailand and my 2011 Thai Versys is starting to use more oil that normal for a bike with 50,000 Km and flogged normally

Any news of this elsewhere?
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Thanks - I saw this before asking the question and should have phrased my post a little better

Amy problems in the USA and a similar silent recall to Malaysia. Here in Thailand, Kawasaki is denying any problems, but that is a typical response
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All you can do is keep the valves adjusted regularly. I'm going to shoot for every 10k miles.

Using Dino 10/40, mine does not need any oil added for 3K miles.

Because I did not think mine were ever adjusted, I did my first one around 9K miles. All valves were adjusted, but it ran like a racer after the first valve adjustment.

I wonder how many miles between valve adjustments the bikes that failed were going. These are race engines! Twins usually have one side exhaust valve that needs nursing (adjusting more than the other side) due to engine design factors (heat): it's part of the package I've always thought. It's almost perfect.
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Years back Kaw/Suzi got in bed together and were sharing parts to cut costs. Not sure if they're still doing that but...

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what models are effected? all years after 2010?
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what models are effected? all years after 2010?
If you don't keep your valves adjusted routinely maybe, lol. I saw all this before I got mine in Nov/2014 and Invader set me straight by at least showing they were not reported in NA. To what extent of manufacturing process error and user error still undetermined from what I have seen, ymmv.

Just keep your valves adjusted (every 10k miles - ??) and keep your oil changed ( every 3k miles - ??) and watch the oil usage. What else can you productively do?
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how much is it normally to get valves done ? i have no clue when they were last done on my bike if ever v.v

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how much is it normally to get valves done ? i have no clue when they were last done on my bike if ever v.v
silvie - from your reports on rebuilding bikes, etc - IMHO you would have NO problem doing your own valves. Check the SERVICE MANUAL online here, or paper, IF you have one.

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Pre-2010 Versys 650's are not affected... Our earlier Versys 650 engines are obviously extremely reliable. I certainly have no concerns for my 2007 made in Japan. Just check your valve clearances early to prevent insufficient valve lash clearance, especially on the exhaust side.

We have yet to witness such a failure in this highly populated North American forum.
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2012 42,000 km valves checked with no issues.
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silvie - from your reports on rebuilding bikes, etc - IMHO you would have NO problem doing your own valves. Check the SERVICE MANUAL online here, or paper, IF you have one.
when it comes to stuff like that (things that can kill the motor) that i have never done be for i don't want to try it myself for the first time.

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when it comes to stuff like that (things that can kill the motor) that i have never done be for i don't want to try it myself for the first time.
silvie - when I did mine, it was the FIRST time for ME (and I'm REALLY OLD...!), so just take your time, and be SURE you have a 1/4" torque wrench for fasteners around the cams.

After invader mentioned that he just 'works' the shims smaller on emery cloth, I do the same thing! (ONLY bought shims for the VERY FIRST check....)

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silvie - when I did mine, it was the FIRST time for ME (and I'm REALLY OLD...!), so just take your time, and be SURE you have a 1/4" torque wrench for fasteners around the cams.

After invader mentioned that he just 'works' the shims smaller on emery cloth, I do the same thing! (ONLY bought shims for the VERY FIRST check....)
ATM dont have a torque wrench, still on my list of need to gets,

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Valve adjustment is one of those things that sound way more complicated than they really are. Follow the service manual and when in doubt, don't do it, come here and ask.

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oh i know it is its more of not having the right tools or parts and im more of a "good'nuff for government work" kind of person. so i would really wanna have some hands on guidance the first time (helps keep me from panicking ) but it is really beyond me hell i can feel my anxiety just watching the vid lol,

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Really no big deal silvie, just take your time like ed said,

Susser raises good question, you will never know why Kawasaki changed valves and or just changed the part number. A person could go through the whole deal of replacing them and still have a catastrophic failure.

I raced 500s in the 80s. Kawasaki had clutch shafts that were breaking due to some engineering or heat treatment (or lack of or improper) issues.
I ended up breaking 3 of them. Since I was on a "support team" we got the parts first, Kawasaki took all remaining shafts out of stock on parts shelves.

Could have gone to lorettas for the second time in the open class but had a broken bike. We never got a answer from Kawasaki but when we finally got replacement parts that held up they "looked" carbon black like they had a improved mix of steel/carbon that was more ductile.
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Yeah valve checks and very easy on this bike, nothing to sweat about at all! Ive checked mine every 10,000 miles and only the exhaust side has needed adjustment.

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I wonder if the bikes that are failing exhaust valves are running aftermarket exhaust.
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ATM dont have a torque wrench, still on my list of need to gets....
The ones from Harbor-Freight are REGULARLY on sale at $9.99 each, and contrary to expectations, received a VERY GOOD review for accuracy by CAR CRAFT magazine (get ALL THREE for $30...!)

BTW - I have all 3 H-Fs here in AZ, and 2 or 3 H-Fs in BC alongside 2 Snap-On ones!

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Just to confirm... the right play is to drop in the third gen exhaust valves when the motor comes apart? Do we know these valves are golden, or should we go back to the first gen Japan valves? If there are no reports of failure in the US, I'm not too concerned until the miles pile up.


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