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Just picked up my new 2015 650L. I aksed the salesman about running in requirements, he said just don't thrash it. Thought there would have been a more technical answer than that!

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What he said.
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Very interesting! Now I don't feel so bad for going over the 4,000 rpm that the manual says not to do!

I rode it home about 60km after picking it up, about 50 of which were highway kms so probably between 4,000 and 5,000 rpm. I must admit I did give it a couple of squirts here and there (couldn't help myself!) but certainly no where near redlining.

Might need to re-read that page a couple of times to get my head around it!

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Forget the manual recommendations, Kawasaki has the same recommendation for every bike. I go a little easy for the first 100 miles while running it through some heat cycles then ride it normal while taking a few runs up to redline. Oil changes at 100 miles then 500 then 2000 miles. I'm not a believer in the hard break in procedure anymore after seeing bad results on my wife's Ninja 250 and my KLX 250s.

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I'd like to have a bad day, just to see what it feels like.
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I'm not a believer in the hard break in procedure anymore after seeing bad results on my wife's Ninja 250 and my KLX 250s.
Could you explain those results please? An interesting, if controversial topic!
Just don't let this go sideways into the dreaded oil thread.
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Ryan - ALL three of my Vs were 'broken-in' on the ride home from the dealers by the method that invader showed, then oil & filter changed (and AGAIN at 501 kms) w/ 'dyno' oil, then AGAIN at 1,003 kms to Mobil1 15w-50 automobile oil. THESE are from the 2015 records, but PRETTY much identical for the '08 and '09 Vs, then at 8,000 km (5,000 mile) intervals.

The '08 has OVER 57,xxx miles w/ NO problems.

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Smiley- My wife's Ninja seized up the transmission at 187 miles. A gear seized on the shaft in the transmission. A really good mechanic at the shop I deal with and ended up working at in sales said it probably would have worn in okay in about another 350 miles. My KLX 250S had a bearing in the engine shred up at 6000 miles, I didn't own the bike when this happened but I saw it as I was working there when they fixed it. I can't say it was from the harsh break in method or not. I just don't do it anymore with my new bikes.

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Well, as an engineer, I did the break-in as stated in the manual...

I hope my bike doesn't esp'lode...
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I hope my bike doesn't esp'lode...
I know you are kidding... I think that the idea is that it will use more oil than if you broke it in "moto-man" style. I also broke mine in according to the manual and burn no oil at coming up on 26,000 miles.

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Why is it just motorcycle engines that need a special break in period?
Cars and trucks don't have a break in, lawn mowers generators and every other thing with an engine go straight up to max RPMs right out of the box. I never understood what is so special about a motorcycle engine that it needs to be babied for it's first few hundred miles.
Is it the relatively high RPMS that motorcycle engines operate at?
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Why is it just motorcycle engines that need a special break in period?
Cars and trucks don't have a break in, lawn mowers generators and every other thing with an engine go straight up to max RPMs right out of the box. I never understood what is so special about a motorcycle engine that it needs to be babied for it's first few hundred miles.
Is it the relatively high RPMS that motorcycle engines operate at?
Every car I've owned until I bought my '13 Ford Focus ST has a break in procedure in the manual.


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I've used the Motoman (hard break in) on my last four bikes, including the Versys. Never had an engine issue. Power seems to *improve* after 3k-6k miles, and shifting, and throttling has gotten consistently smoother. If you've driven home more than 60 miles, the break-in window for hard break in is over. I've broken in these last few on the way back from the dealer... Best thing you can do is put your bike on a dyno right out of the dealer. It'll be broken in by the end of the test.

I won't get into the oil change slippery slope, but I'm religious about changes. At 100 miles / 600 miles (dino); 1000 miles synthetic / and every 4k after with full synthetic.

As for the manual, break in recommendations are CYA. Most manufacturers list their shift points (in the manual) at rpms you'd never consider (look it up)... also CYA -- they'd have you believe you should be in 6th by 37mph or something in that neighborhood.

Most of the riders I know either do Motoman, or ride it out of the dealer the way they'd normally ride *after* a break in. Either way, you'll be fine. Just two things for the first couple hundred miles: don't lug it, and don't redline it...

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Every car I've owned until I bought my '13 Ford Focus ST has a break in procedure in the manual.
Maybe that's it. I've only bought five new cages in my life. The most recent being a Honda, did not have a break in that I know of.
I'm with BKP, I drive it the way I drive it right off the showroom floor. I've never had a vehicle, motorcycle, cage or otherwise, use oil, blow up or make odd noises and I almost always keep my vehicles well into the 100K mile range.
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Every car I've owned until I bought my '13 Ford Focus ST has a break in procedure in the manual.
Same with me except that it was our 2014 Honda Odyssey.

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Maybe that's it. I've only bought five new cages in my life. The most recent being a Honda, did not have a break in that I know of.
I'm with BKP, I drive it the way I drive it right off the showroom floor. I've never had a vehicle, motorcycle, cage or otherwise, use oil, blow up or make odd noises and I almost always keep my vehicles well into the 100K mile range.
Your used cars didn't have a manual?


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Your used cars didn't have a manual?

No self respecting dude reads the manual.
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No self respecting dude reads the manual.
That's FUNNY!

Probably as a result of my aviation background I ALWAYS read the manual, and at least ONCE when I ordered a new vehicle (2-wheels or 4-wheels...?) I asked the dealer for an OWNERS MANUAL that I could go thru when I placed the order, then have any questions that came up, answered when I picked the vehicle up.

The dealer was VERY surprised by that request!


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That's FUNNY!

Probably as a result of my aviation background I ALWAYS read the manual, and at least ONCE when I ordered a new vehicle (2-wheels or 4-wheels...?) I asked the dealer for an OWNERS MANUAL that I could go thru when I placed the order, then have any questions that came up, answered when I picked the vehicle up.

The dealer was VERY surprised by that request!


Most likely it's just due to who you are and not what you did for a living. I've got an aviation background as well and I only get manuals out to answer specific questions.
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Most likely it's just due to who you are and not what you did for a living. I've got an aviation background as well and I only get manuals out to answer specific questions.
I was RCAF flying C-130s, then Air Canada, flying everything from DC-9s to Airbus AE340s, so I PROBABLY spent a THIRD of my life taking AOM courses over that 37 years....




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