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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-25-2010, 10:04 PM Thread Starter
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Fram Oil Filter

Despite holding the Smart Tech oil filter in my hand, and seeing that it was made in the USA, I just couldn't bring myself to buying something that was made specifically for the Evil Empire (aka...WalMart). Call me a snob, elitist, or whatever...but I just never liked that company or the way they do business.

I ended up buying the Fram TG6607 (made in Canda, eh?) filter, all the while knowing (based on the perceived quality, or lack there of) that my engine will blow up exactly 327 miles after I change my oil. Maybe I'm old school, but after using their filters for years without a single problem, I'm willing to offer up my new V to the members of this forum as a test subject for these crappy filters. My hope is that I make it to at least the end of the riding season before I have to tear the engine down to repair all the damage the uncaptured debris caused.
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Tough Guard® does have a great combination synthetic glass and cellulose media for exceptional filtration with 99% multi-pass efficiency, but is relatively restrictive. Extra surface area from the longer (3.25") TG7317 version has more filtering media surface area, and less restriction to flow.

This flow vs PSID chart that was published by AC Delco (Ultraguard) shows that Purolator's Pure One oil filter is less restrictive than Wix, Fram's DoubleGuard, ExtraGuard, Mobil 1 (K&N is exactly the same, with a nut welded on top), and Fram's Tough Guard (most restrictive).



K&N / Mobil 1:


Inside Wal-Mart's impressive Super Tech oil filter, available in the 3.25" long ST7317: http://users.zoominternet.net/~capro...e%20ST7317.htm
(Not available at Canadian Wal-Mart)

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I use the purolater pure1 you can get the 2.5" #pl14612 or 3.25" #pl14610
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Despite holding the Smart Tech oil filter in my hand, and seeing that it was made in the USA, I just couldn't bring myself to buying something that was made specifically for the Evil Empire (aka...WalMart). Call me a snob, elitist, or whatever...but I just never liked that company or the way they do business.

I ended up buying the Fram...
Did you buy it at Wal Mart? Just curious....
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Pretty dramatic differences on that chart, in fact at first blush it’s kinda scary...

The Ultraguard is so dramatically different than all the rest, I have to wonder if it’s providing the same level of filtration. Do you know...?

Also, do you have any idea what the flow rates are on the V (or any other engines)?

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Does anyone has tried the Scott (http://www.scottsonline.com/products.php?PartType=3) or the PC Racing (@ MotorcycleSuperStore). They are more expensive but tech characteristics looks very interesting.... Any comments?
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Did you buy it at Wal Mart? Just curious....
Yes, I did buy it at Wal Mart. I also purchased a new oil drain pan and small funnel there and suprisingly, they were made in the USA.


As far as that chart is concerned, why am I not surprised that the AC Delco filter rated the best when the study was published by none other than.....AC Delco?

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Does anyone has tried the Scott (http://www.scottsonline.com/products.php?PartType=3) or the PC Racing (@ MotorcycleSuperStore). They are more expensive but tech characteristics looks very interesting.... Any comments?
I used a Scotts SS mesh filter on previous WR426F, and have one on my car made by System 1, as used in many types of professional motorsports. All passages are 30 microns wide, and the surface area is the same as in a comparably sized conventional filter. Regular paper element filtering media may have holes that vary in size, up to twice as large as in a stainless steel mesh filter. SS mesh filter has less restriction to flow, and is easily inspected and cleaned. Fine carbon particles get trapped in bottom of pleats, with plenty of surface left for unobstructed flow between cleanings... They're also finned and provide extra oil cooling through the rugged aluminum (better heat dissipation) body.
System 1's 30 micron element is compatible for SAE oil weight of 0-50W, with optional racing application 45 micron for up to 60W oil, and 75 micron for up to 70W oil.

http://www.system1filters.com/oil_filters.htm
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Pretty dramatic differences on that chart, in fact at first blush it’s kinda scary...

The Ultraguard is so dramatically different than all the rest, I have to wonder if it’s providing the same level of filtration. Do you know...?

Also, do you have any idea what the flow rates are on the V (or any other engines)?

Thanks
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The Ultraguard filter is most likely not filtering as well through its higher flowing filtering media. Being AC Delco's own filter, they bring our attention to how well it flows rather than its filtration qualities.

All the independent oil filter resistance to flow tests have been removed from the web, for some reason. I did see the extensive oil filter test a while ago. Fram's Tough Guard filter with better filtering synthetic cellulose media had more resistance to flow than the others including Purolator's Pure One.

Not sure about flow rates. The oil pump does have to push the oil through the filter, before it can circulate through the engine. Oil pressure is greater between pump and filter, than it is between oil filter and crankshaft bushings. Higher restriction in the filter, be it from dirt or restrictive filtering media, raises pressure between pump and filter (until by-pass opens, allowing collected dirt to flow through), increases pressure between pump and filter, while decreasing resulting pressure to circulate through engine's lubrication system.

Oil Filter Flow Test: http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfiltertest.htm

Interesting info on motorcycle oil filters and by-pass valve pressure:
http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfilter2.htm

-"The best explanation of the oil filter that I have read is by George Nehls" link is available here: http://www.mgnoc.com/article_oil_filters_revisited.html

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All in all you can't beat the convenience of the nut on the end of the K&N.

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All in all you can't beat the convenience of the nut on the end of the K&N.

ALL filters should come that way....







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Just checked the 5 filters that I bought from Wal-Mart a few weeks ago... They are all made in USA...

While I was there last time, I remember seeing 3 different kind of Fram filters and they claimed 2x 4x 6x better than conventional filters... But I end up buying just the SuperTech filter that I had been using...

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Interesting info on motorcycle oil filters and by-pass valve pressure:
http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfilter2.htm
Thanks Invader, interesting articles...

In the one above Verdon states, “Without any doubt, you should stay away from any oil filter made by Fram”, but doesn’t say why...

It looks some more research is in order...
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Lots of folks do not like Fram because they use a glued on paper top on the filter media. While it is not my first choice (Super Tech for me) the design has served well in autos/trucks for literally BILLIONS of miles. The design would not have survived all these years if it did not work. I would much rather have a clean Fram than a dirty brand of choice!!
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The Ultraguard filter is most likely not filtering as well through its higher flowing filtering media. Being AC Delco's own filter, they bring our attention to how well it flows rather than its filtration qualities.



Oil Filter Flow Test: http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfiltertest.htm

Interesting info on motorcycle oil filters and by-pass valve pressure:
http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfilter2.htm

-"The best explanation of the oil filter that I have read is by George Nehls" link is available here: http://www.mgnoc.com/article_oil_filters_revisited.html
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Just bought a FRAM yestersday, normally use OE filters. I just picked up my V last week and going to do a 100 mile oil & filter change, run it to 500 miles and then do another with an OE filter. I figured a FRAM should be good for at least 400 miles! Hope I'm making the right call! I just figured it would'nt hurt to get the metal shavings out of the system a little earlier than the 600 mile first service. New to the forum, great information available!
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I buy the Mobil M1-110 3.25 inch long filter for my Versys and my VTX 1300. Same filter fits both. Get it at Autozone.

I won't use a Fram (JMHO)
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Just as good as a "good one"

I use a Fram filter in my V and KLR (PH6017A and CH6069). Compared to several other filters I have used; K&N, OEM, etc. the Fram is constructed well and always fits with peace of mind. Get them at the O'Reilly's and the price tag won't hurt you too bad either.

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Whats wrong with the oem filter...besides the cost?


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Pretty dramatic differences on that chart, in fact at first blush it’s kinda scary...

The Ultraguard is so dramatically different than all the rest, I have to wonder if it’s providing the same level of filtration. Do you know...?
It's only dramatic until you remember that this is Ultraguard's data, which makes it somewhat questionable. I see stuff like that from 10 different vendors every day and they all show how their products are that much better than everybody else's, so I don't believe anybody's data unless it comes certified from an independent testing lab...

And, just in case you guys forgot, our filter has a 14 PSID bypass valve, so all that "data" after 14 PSID is irrelevant. If you hit 14 PSID across the filter the bypass valve opens and no more filtration for your oil.


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