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oil changed out is diirty

just wandering, i changed my oil at 200 miles and again at 600, both times it was very dark and had some specs of metal. is the dirty factor normal when breaking in a new bike?
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just wandering, i changed my oil at 200 miles and again at 600, both times it was very dark and had some specs of metal. is the dirty factor normal when breaking in a new bike?
Its normal to have some metal and dirty oil, but to what extend. As long as the bike is running OK and no adverse conditions then it's normal to have some residue in drain out oil. Hope you did the run in as per standard.

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It might be possible that not all of the old previous oil had been drained out during the last oil change. Try using a bit of compressed air to blow out this old oil. A tilt can also help.

A magnetic plug would be a good investment to attract those metal flakes.
http://www.magneticdrainplugs.com/mo...rain_plugs.htm . Part # 1044M (by Invader).
Plus, change your oil filter. It's cheap insurance.
Use dino oil before going synthetic during this phase. Good Luck.

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Motoman says dirty oil comes from exhaust blowby from improper breakin. Did you use his recommended breakin procedure?
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i broke it in by really giving it hard revs and lots of engine breaking in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear. ive been riding it on the blue ridge parkway and scenic highways with lots of ups and downs. The oil doesnt come out black, but its definitely dirty with swirls of discoloration. i also noticed that this time, i changed the oil and filter after a ride , did the tilting and moving around to get as much out as i could, but two new quarts filled it over the line on the sight gauge, so i had to take some out. any thoughts on this?
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You can't judge anything by how black oil is. You can always send it for analysis.

Sludge or milkshake etc indicate issues.

Metal isn't good but you've got a young engine and isn't unheard of either. I'd keep doing frequent changes to see if the amount is varying.

Besides, what are the options? Best case... convince a dealer to tear down or replace based on metal in oil? It's going to have to be considerable to do that. Worst case, it grenades. I'd say ride it like you stole it and hope that happens while in the warranty period.

Assigning any of this to break-in procedure is simply a guess.
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Metal in the initial couple of changes is normal. Lots of parts wearing in.

Don't worry about it too much. If your bike gets to 5000 or more miles and you're still seeing metal flakes, then I'd be concerned a bit. If you go the route of a magnetic drain plug, you will see some metal "dust" on it...that's normal. But you should not see big flakes.
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........ i changed the oil and filter after a ride , did the tilting and moving around to get as much out as i could, but two new quarts filled it over the line on the sight gauge, so i had to take some out. any thoughts on this?
Don't over fill or under fill. Keep it between the lines and best to come close to the top ( MAX) line. Always keep you bike parked vertical , best on a back stand when looking at oil level in the sight glass.
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i broke it in by really giving it hard revs and lots of engine breaking in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear. ive been riding it on the blue ridge parkway and scenic highways with lots of ups and downs. The oil doesnt come out black, but its definitely dirty with swirls of discoloration. i also noticed that this time, i changed the oil and filter after a ride , did the tilting and moving around to get as much out as i could, but two new quarts filled it over the line on the sight gauge, so i had to take some out. any thoughts on this?
How lond did you let it drain for? When it's almost done dripping, I give it a little shot of the starter without starting engine. This, then tilting it both ways again helps get over 2 quarts out.
Most seen particles are aluminum which can't be picked up with magnet, as well as clutch friction plates' material. Beside the engine, gear box gears and shifting mechanism are also breaking in...
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