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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 04-29-2010, 08:39 PM Thread Starter
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15,000 Mile Service: Valve Check or Not???

I know its been discussed before, but my Owner's Manual for my U.S. 2008 Versys (KLE650A) shows the Valve Clearance-Inspect check at 24,000 Km/15,000 miles.

I took my Versys to my local dealer for the 15k mile service, specifically for the valve clearance check. Later that day when I picked up the bike, everything was done except for the valve check.

The dealers response was it wasn't due, when I said it was ("...that's why I brought it in....") they said the mechanic misread the manual and bring it back and they would do it.

Brought it back and when I picked it up they handed me a copy of the manual pages with the Periodic Maintenance Chart and all the items checked off for the 15,000 mile service....except for the valve clearance check.

When pressed, they told me the mechanic did do the check and that no adjustment was needed. I had them notate that the check was done on the repair order and left.


The Versys [2007] Service Manual shows 24,000km/15,000 miles for the "CA Model" and 42,000 km/26,000 miles for "Other than CA Model".

"CA" appears to be for Canada in the Service Manual.

My Owners Manual shows the 24 km/15 miles interval, which one is correct?

Anybody get a real answer from Kawasaki?

PS: I also installed a set of Pirelli Angel ST's, a new chain, and a new clutch cable (that should have been replaced back in January when I had my clutch problems but wasn't: http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ead.php?t=6570 )
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I think "CA" is California, but I may be wrong.My 09 book says 15,000 miles or 24,000 km. Where in SC are you?

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Don't think that CA is California, they didn't sell in California until 2009, the Versys wasn't even sold in the US until 2008, the pages I included were from the 2007 Service Manual. The Manual shows CA as Canada.

The page the dealer gave me shows the same as the 2007 Service Manual I have.

I'm in Summerville.
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The recommended valve clearance check interval disparity is still a mystery... In Kawasaki ZX, C14 and Vulcan forums, they're confused as to why there's a recommended 15000 mile (24000 km) interval for US and CA (Canada), and 26000 mile (42000 km) interval for other than US and CA model.
At any rate, I checked mine at 3600 mile (7450 km) and found one exhaust valve clearance already at just under minimum spec. So I set all my inlets at 0.18 mm and exhausts at 0.26 mm, and will see where they go from there.
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You checked your own valves...was it tough?

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I know its been discussed before, but my Owner's Manual for my U.S. 2008 Versys (KLE650A) shows the Valve Clearance-Inspect check at 24,000 Km/15,000 miles.
The Versys [2007] Service Manual shows 24,000km/15,000 miles for the "CA Model" and 42,000 km/26,000 miles for "Other than CA Model".

"CA" appears to be for Canada in the Service Manual.

My Owners Manual shows the 24 km/15 miles interval, which one is correct?
I'm not sure I understand the question because I don't see a conflict.

CA does refer to the Canadian model. There was no US model in 2007, that's why it's not listed in the 2007 ed. of the manual. The 2008 manual which includes the US models lists 15K miles as the service interval for valve inspections. So, Canadian and US models are required to have the valves inspected every 15K miles or 24,000 km. All other markets can have the valves inspected every 42,000 km or 26K miles.

As for difficulty of this task - checking is trivial (it takes a lot more time to get to the point where you have removed everything and have the valves exposed and ready for inspection than actually check the clearance). If you need to replace shims, then it's a bit more work, as you need to remove the cams to get to the shims. Not too difficult, but requires more care, especially upon reassembly.


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how much time should a valve check take at a bike shop because i not going near that dept, i will pay somone.
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how much time should a valve check take at a bike shop because i not going near that dept, i will pay somone.
I would say about an hour or an hour and a half, if none of the shims have to be changed. Most of that time is spent disassembling the fairings and removing the gas tank, air box and valve cover. There are various hoses and such to disconnect as well. Actually checking the clearances takes about two minutes. It's all the disassembly and reassembly that takes time.
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I'm not sure I understand the question because I don't see a conflict.

CA does refer to the Canadian model. There was no US model in 2007, that's why it's not listed in the 2007 ed. of the manual. The 2008 manual which includes the US models lists 15K miles as the service interval for valve inspections. So, Canadian and US models are required to have the valves inspected every 15K miles or 24,000 km. All other markets can have the valves inspected every 42,000 km or 26K miles.

As for difficulty of this task - checking is trivial (it takes a lot more time to get to the point where you have removed everything and have the valves exposed and ready for inspection than actually check the clearance). If you need to replace shims, then it's a bit more work, as you need to remove the cams to get to the shims. Not too difficult, but requires more care, especially upon reassembly.


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The conflict is that:

2008 USA Owners Manual says 15,000 miles (used by me)

2008 Motorcycle Service Manual says 26,000 miles/15,000 for Canada (used by dealer)

I've seen a lot of folks on this forum check the clearance or get it done at 15,000 miles (were they all Canadian? probably not)

I had to take my bike back to the dealer twice to get the clearance check done because the mechanic said (per his Service Manual) it wasn't due for another 11,000 miles (26,000 miles) and didn't do it when I took it in for the 15,000 service.

So for a US owner/operator - which interval is correct 15,000 or 26,000?


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The conflict is that:

2008 USA Owners Manual says 15,000 miles (used by me)

2008 Motorcycle Service Manual says 26,000 miles/15,000 for Canada (used by dealer)
I have the 2008 service manual and it says exactly what I wrote above - valve inspections for US and CA models every 15K miles.


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Well I am in the US but will pretend I am in Mexico so I don't have to check them until 26,000 miles. Similar situation on my V-Star, 4,000 miles for my '07 in US, 12,000 for rest of the world. Some countries require that mandated mechanical maintenance in warranty period is the responsibility of the manufacturer. May have something to do with it??
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Well I am in the US but will pretend I am in Mexico so I don't have to check them until 26,000 miles. Similar situation on my V-Star, 4,000 miles for my '07 in US, 12,000 for rest of the world. Some countries require that mandated mechanical maintenance in warranty period is the responsibility of the manufacturer. May have something to do with it??
I think it's more related to emissions standards and liability for product defects/malfunction than it is to actual warranties - after all, most warranties on bikes in the US are rather short (one year is typical), much shorter than the average owner takes to get to that first valve inspection interval on a modern engine.

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OK, you MAY be right also??
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I say check at 15k and if they are ok , go with the 26k interval, mine were slightly tight at 15 so they did need shims. I feel we run our USA engines harder because of our longer more extensive interstate system for longer periods of time and this could lead to more wear ( provided you run for long periods at high speeds, I did on several long trips for days at a time ).Its emmissons related as far as reccomendation, but better safe than sorry

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I think it's more related to emissions standards and liability for product defects/malfunction than it is to actual warranties - after all, most warranties on bikes in the US are rather short (one year is typical), much shorter than the average owner takes to get to that first valve inspection interval on a modern engine.

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Yes. This is an emission standard issue. I can almost guarantee it. That is why I am inclined to think CA stands for California. I think the translation is that the bike probably does not "need" the valves adjusted until 26,000 miles, but Kawasaki has to satisfy the "green niks" in California.
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I bought the extended warranty when I purchased the bike (the "horse trade" purchase dance) and at least want to make sure that I keep the warranty valid, see Owners Obligations in the Warranty Statement.

My 2008 Owners Manual shows the 15,000 interval, so it needed to be done "...as outlined in the Owner's Manual" to meet the warranty Owner's Obligations.

The "CA" in the 2007 Manual I have, and what the dealer showed me (couldn't verify the year) both refer to Canada, not California

Does anyone's Owner's Manual show a different interval? If so what year Versys is it for?
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Versys owners in UK, France, Denmark, etc (all except US and CAnada) have a 42000 km (26000 mile) recommended valve check interval. All the adjustments needed on the Versys for at least three UK forum members have been for valve lash clearances that were too tight mostly on the exhaust side, and within 15000 miles (24000 kms)... Like I mentioned, mine already had an exhaust valve at just under minimum spec at 3600 mile (7450 km), and I set them all in the middle of specified range for optimum efficiency and reliability.
Just get in there and check what your clearances are at after a complete break-in. That is what you need to be concerned about. You'll know what they're at, then can follow the 15000 mile interval in peace.
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My 2010 owners manual says 42000km/26250mi for valve clearance inspect. The maunal also reads KLE650CA. Puchased in Oregon.
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Anyone live in Los Angeles area that know how to do valve adjustment? I would really love to learn how to do this myself...

I will be pulling everything apart next week for spark plugs changed and air filter cleaning, I wish I know how to do valve adjustment...

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