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Question Tire patch - Danger Will Robinson?

Ok. I'm in Mexico. I just replaced my rear tire before coming down here,as I had a screw embedded in it and my dealer/repair guys said they wouldn't fix it due to liability issues. Meanwhile I punctured the new tire while riding off-road and on extended dirt roads yesterday. Fortunately I had the repair kit, (those sticky black shoe lace looking thingies and the appropriate tools). The patch seems to have worked well. It's been about 36 hours since I patched the tire and it hasn't lost any pressure whatsoever. I did however do some riding at pretty low pressure before I realized that I had a leak. I'm not keen on spending the money on a tire again.

My question is this: What are the safety issues with continuing to use the tire, and what is your opinion as to whether I should replace it or not? BTW: I tend to ride kind of fast on the highway. I couldn't get a tire where I was and am currently en route to Mazatlan in hope of getting one, (should I decide to replace it based on ya'lls advice). I'm traveling and may not be able to check in here for a day or so. Thanks in advance for weighing in.

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from the dunlop web site . I have never had a problem after patching a tire. But I would patch it from the inside when you get a chance.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/info....asp?id=13#tip

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It'd be better with a patch-plug, but the tire has to be removed to install it... Meanwhile, I'd just go with your actual sticky cord. I had to add a second sticky cord in my car tire to properly seal it, but it hasn't needed a real patch-plug and it's still fine ~40000 miles later.
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Rear wheel flats aren't as scary as front flats, so I would ride it out. These tires don't last long anyway.

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I've had several tires patched with no trouble, but you may have to D.I.Y........most shops won't do it due to liability issues.
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I'm another "fix-it-and-ride-it-till-it's-worn-out" guy. I had a rear on my Bandit w/ several small leaks from glass, so I just checked pressure every day to see if it was losing air at a different, faster rate, and used it till it 'died'.

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I've patched my stock versys dunlop with the same type of patch. No issues. If you do it right, it holds pressure. You'll know in the first 24 hours. I was on a ride to Upstate NY and we patched and checked every day - pressure held until the tire was wore out.
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I rode nearly 1500 miles with a plug is my rear. (Should probably clarify that it was in my rear TIRE!)

Each time I stopped I checked the tire pressure. I ended up replacing it after 1500 miles as I had more than than to get back home, some of it high speed in high temps.

If you have the cash and time to get it changed do it, if not, keep checking it and ride it home.

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My experience is similar to what Mac and others posted above. A good patch can go the life of the tire without losing any more pressure than the tire normally would. Granted, there is a risk that it will come out as the tire wears and the surface area the patch uses to adhere to the tire changes. I've never had a problem, but I can see that it could happen.

OTOH, you are not in Kansas (or even NM) anymore, and you should be glad for that. Just make your way to the nearest Desponchadora or Vulcanizadora (often abbreviated as Vulka) and ask them to patch your tire from the inside with a mushroom plug. If they don't have one, go elsewhere. It should cost no more than $10 (probably closer to $5) and it will have a patch that will not come out under any riding conditions.

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But they all get the job done.

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+1 on the internal patch and scrap the gummy worm.
I used a gummy worm on mine to get me home 10 miles when I got a flat last summer and while I was having the new tire put on (the punctured one I still have and will patch and remount some day) I decided to see just how secure the gummy worm was. I gave it a little tug with my hand and out it came like a meth heads tooth.
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First off let me say if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have much luck at all. I have had the V almost two years now and have had three sets of tires on it. I have also had Three plugs in the rear tires. I use the stop and go mushroom plug kit and I have rode the tire down to the wear bars on all three tires and not had any problems at all. As a matter of fact while having the last tire changed I looked at the old tire to see how the plug was holding up; Im curiuos like that. The plug looked like a suction cup on the inside of the tire. Could not pull it out. Never lost air other than normal. I have how to pics. on this forum on how they are installed; very easy to do and work great. Highly recommed can keep the kit under the seat with the tools.
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An internal patch would work fine.
A submerged tire in water after the fix up will show telling bubbles.

Could use Ride-On the next time. If it doesn't, could go back to them with their product claim.

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Thanks all for your opinions. I do love this forum! I couldn't find a tire in Mazatlan, so I'm riding it "as is". Perhaps later I'll connect with a supplier, but have made the decision to ride on for now. I'm checking it at least twice a day, and it's holding steady, so... Cool! Oh! Here's the bonus video of that day's ride when I got the flat:
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+1 for the Patch Plugs from the inside. I have used them a lot and never had a problem. If it is done right it will last forever. I have used tires like that on the track at over 150 MPH never had a problem and the tires are really getting hot.

If you use the sticky ropes with a little rubber cement that comes with most patch kits it will bond it to the rubber, and will last the life of the tire. I have had the sticky ropes come out before, make sure to use new ones and they must be clean, kept in sealed pkg.

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Thanks again to all who commented. On the ride south, the tire began losing air at a more rapid rate. I realized I was at or near the wear strips on y rear tire so I stopped in Acapulco and found a Yamaha shop that had a Avon Distanzia in the OEm size waiting for me. All is well, and the V got a new sneaker in the process.

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