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Question Oil change interval with synthetic oil?

So, I'm riding around here in Mexico, and will be here for a while. I changed my oil just before departing the US, and am wondering how long I can wait to do another oil change with the synthetic oil without risking excessive wear on the engine. Your thoughts and opinions are much appreciated.

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Based only on my experience with motorcycles OTHER than the Versys you might feel less slick shifting after 5,000 miles and you can safely go 8,000 miles before you need to start thinking about changing your oil.

Even then, if you haven't pushed too hard, methinks you could push it a bit further without doing serious damage to the engine.

More important in preventing damage is making sure you have enough oil in the bike.

Oh, and the owners manual says to change it every 7,500 to 9,000 miles (the table with time/miles whichever comes first interval is a bit irregular).

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Yeah. I've been perhaps a bit anal about changing my oil. doing it very 3-4k miles even with the synthetic. (I did it every 2500 miles with regular oil). Thanks for your input pretbeck.

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Hi Miguelito,

Wish you good rides in Mexico.

Have been changing using synthetic oil every 6000 km. It look/feels good when drained. It would be a good investment to do an oil lab analysis to confirm one's findings.
IMHO, mineral oil is 90% as just as good but have changed it every 3000 km.
1.7-1.9 liter oil is not much on the V. A good brand oil is good choice.

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Versys seems to wear out oil sooner than many other bikes I own in the past... May be because it only takes a littler over 2 quart... May be not... You notice how dirty the oil look when you drain it?

If the manual say 7500 miles, I think it's okay... But I am changing mine around 5000 miles or so with synthetic... I might change it at 2500 now that I am only using dino oil...

When it come to oil change, everyone has their own opinion... Do what you think is right for you.

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Hi Michael - It goes without saying that 7500 should be safe for the bike, even if you are using mineral oil, since that's what Kawasaki recommends. With synthetic, you should be able to extend that interval even further. Also, assuming that you spend most of those miles touring (as opposed to stuck in city traffic idling), that's the easiest engine life possible, long periods of running at temp, not over heating and few starts/stops per mile covered. As Pretbek said, keep an eye on the level. If you happen to see it goes low, make sure to top it off.

So where are you riding this time?

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Versys seems to wear out oil sooner than many other bikes I own in the past... May be because it only takes a littler over 2 quart... May be not... You notice how dirty the oil look when you drain it?
The oil capacity is low, but don't confuse dirty oil with worn oil. The two are not related. Dirty oil means the oil is doing its job - keeping particulate suspended - it doesn't mean it's not lubricating appropriately.


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I use only Amsoil, and change it every 4,000 miles. While I agree you can extend the change interval beyond that, but I like to keep an eye on the oil to see the amount of metal shavings that are suspended. An oil analysis will really help you, but make sure your engine is fully broken before you mail your sample in. My bike (Ducati Multistrada 620) takes about 5,000 miles for the clutch to be fully broken in. Until the 5,000 mile point, I was changing oil every 2,000 miles to make sure all of the clutch material was removed on a regular basis.

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Thanks to all for commenting. I feel better about extending my oil changes beyond where I normally would do them.

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Hi Miguelito,

Wish you good rides in Mexico.

I say,
New oil is better than dirty oil,
Dirty oil is better than no oil.

Thanks stlee and Amen to that amigo!

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So where are you riding this time?

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Thanks mate. I'm still figuring that out Gustavo. I'm thinking of heading down to Oaxaca/Chiapas after and I rendezvous in Alamos where we're exploring an idea we have for a TV show about Americans living abroad. I've got an ongoing trip report at ADVrider, so stop by over there and say hello! Cheers to all and thanks again!

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I use Amsoil in my V, since the motor only holds roughly two quarts, while on a long trip like yours i would just change the filter every 3000 mi. or so but not the oil..remember...each time you change the filter you lose some, so by just topping off the oil you in a sense will have change it completley after about 12K give or take..the filter is the key to keeping the motor alive
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For some years now I have used fully synthetic at the full recommended manufacturers interval. Before then I always changed my normal oil at 2/3rds of recco interval.
It was noticeable how much cleaner the synthetic looked even at that longer interval, and how much less sludge remained in the drain-out tray after letting the oil drain off it.
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I have been using full synthetic in the V since I drained the break in oil. Change it every 5,000 miles and I am sure I could go nearly double that as the oil always looks pretty good when it's drained.

On my 2003 Z1000 I used a half synthetic blend and would change that every 3,000 miles and I kept the bike for 33,000 and it ran as well on the last day as the day I bought it. You shouldn't have any issues at all with a full synthetic oil. Enjoy the ride!

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My manual says the next change after the 7500 is 15000. No way I will do that!

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My manual says the next change after the 7500 is 15000. No way I will do that!
Why not? If an oil analysis confirms this interval is good to prevent premature wear and damage, why do you think it's not adequate?


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Why not? If an oil analysis confirms this interval is good to prevent premature wear and damage, why do you think it's not adequate?


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My guess? Stition. Or perhaps great stition. No, no, I'm sure it's SUPERstition.


Jiffy Lube and other conspirators have rammed it so deeply into our culture that oil must be changed every 3000 miles (regardless of what the manufacturers say will keep their own vehicles within warranty), it is hard to get rid of that idea.
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My guess? Stition. Or perhaps great stition. No, no, I'm sure it's SUPERstition.


Jiffy Lube and other conspirators have rammed it so deeply into our culture that oil must be changed every 3000 miles (regardless of what the manufacturers say will keep their own vehicles within warranty), it is hard to get rid of that idea.
You've probably got that right. Thanks to all for your 2˘.

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It someone who has done their own oil lab analysis would share their findings, that would be SUPER.

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I change my Mobil1 15w-50 (CAR oil) and filter at 5,000 miles. YRMV!

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My oil change depends on my riding.I did a 500 mile day with some high rpm's,changed when I got home(ease my mind). I have used Castrol 10-40 in all my motorcyles,cars,lawn mowers etc. No problems. Oil filter,walmart fram 6017a. Got 15000mi on my versys so far. Rain,sleet or snow...I'm riding. 30+ yrs of riding and still love it.
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Where i live in northern MN, the temperature differentials on any given day can be HUGE. This leads to condensation, ergo moisture in the oil. I dont care if its the cheepest car oil or gold encrusted synthetic race oil squeezed by the hands of virgins, if its full of water, its trash. Up here i will never go longer than 3k on my bike oil. I dont plan on running synthetic on any of my water cooled bykes, doesn't seem necessary. Like the man said, CLEAN oil is the best oil.

I also beleive that car oil is not an option as its additives effect the clutch, and it whips into foam because it is not designed to lubricate constant mesh trannys. IMHO..let the hatin begin ; )
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