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Counter Steering explained, MUST READ

Hello Fellas, I guess most of you already know this, but for the few ( including me ) that is still on a learning curve, check this out, it can save your life.


>>>>http://www.examiner.com/x-9191-Houst...f-how-it-feels



Also a youtube video showing you, skip to 1:35 >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8IdTq3_3WI
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-18-2009, 09:57 PM
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Good article Kall...And for those that what to understand it better "Practice" in an empty parking lot... Do the same with hard braking... It will make you a better rider when you get out with the cages...
And reading David Hough's book

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Here's another good read on body-steering and other myths.
http://www.superbikeschool.com/machi...bs-machine.php
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Good topic, bad example - that article is so full of errors/misconceptions it's hard to too seriously. Probably best to get the basic idea from it - you need to push/pull on the bars to make it turn and move on to some more serious articles on the subject to get a better understanding of the subject. Better yet, get a book on riding, like David Hugh's Proficient Motorcycling and read that (when you are done, there is also More Proficient Motorcycling and Street Strategies). Also, consider signing up for an MSF advanced rider course (or whatever is offered where you live). You can read about it all day, there is nothing like going out and having someone look at what you are doing and give you feedback.

Some good stuff to read:
http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/str...ing/index.html

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/str...lls/index.html

http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Balance/BALANCE.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/str...lls/index.html




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Very nice stuff there Gustavo, I just finished reading Twist of the Wrist by Keith Code and am in the process of reading Twist of the Wrist 2, very insightful. Still must practice more, I was not aware of any of this the 3 years I rode my KLR, I did rode it hard, but not hard enough, Thankfully never had an accident.
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Very nice stuff there Gustavo, I just finished reading Twist of the Wrist by Keith Code and am in the process of reading Twist of the Wrist 2, very insightful. Still must practice more, I was not aware of any of this the 3 years I rode my KLR, I did rode it hard, but not hard enough, Thankfully never had an accident.
That Twist of the Wrist stuff will make your head spin! Lots of .

Look for a book called Sport Riding Techniques by Nick Ienatsch (former AMA 250 GP racer).

Much easier to read and apply. This book dropped my lap times by 10 seconds! Techniques (counter steering being one of them) can be easily used on the street for safer more enjoyable fast riding.

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I think you would find that you will apply counter steering without actually realizing it in normal street riding because you apply it ever so slightly.
It's when you really need to do it in your responsive action to avoid an accident, or to take that corner harder.
Its something you need to get your head around and practice it and build into your responsive action.

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That's right. Being aware that countersteering (pushing steering in the opposite direction) is actually always how a motorcycle is steered, to maintain desired trajectory, to veer (change direction), as well as for accident avoidance, makes a big difference... At city speeds, a sharp and sudden countersteer can actually throw the front wheel clean off the ground from a right turning lean angle quickly to a left turning lean angle, perfectly positioned and in control. Motorcycle control dynamics are inherent of its wheels' powerful gyroscopic forces.
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Countersteering is how bicycles are steered, too. I learned this concept as a kid when my buddy Tim (who became an engineer) pointed out the phenomenon when he observed it on his Columbia spider bike. We all thought we were so cool steering our bikes "backward" but we were just following our friend physics.


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