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Recently had my chain replaced. Forgot to check to see what kind of masterlink setup it came with, but assumed at $150 I'd likely be getting a rivet/options. Had it installed by my local shop as it seemed like more of a project that I wanted to do on an NYC street in 10deg weather. Anyhow- I just noticed the masterlink seems: A. to be using a c-clip (which i think is backwards [open end is meant to be rear facing, no?]) B. is then held together with wire?? Thoughts?


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Is that the bottom of your chain? If so, the clip looks to be installed correctly; the closed end of the link should be facing the direction of rotation.
The safety wire on there is a precaution to make sure it stays put. When I had a clip master, I wired it, too.

I still prefer rivets. But a correctly installed clip on a properly aligned chain should be fine on a street bike.
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Is that the bottom of your chain? If so, the clip looks to be installed correctly; the closed end of the link should be facing the direction of rotation.
The safety wire on there is a precaution to make sure it stays put. When I had a clip master, I wired it, too.

I still prefer rivets. But a correctly installed clip on a properly aligned chain should be fine on a street bike.
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The safety wire on there is a precaution to make sure it stays put. When I had a clip master, I wired it, too.
Never thought about safety wiring the clip as extra insurance... Brilliant! Noted to self if ever I get a chain with a clip.


My Grom has a clip and it runs just fine. Might go wrap it with wire though!
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Never thought about safety wiring the clip as extra insurance... Brilliant! Noted to self if ever I get a chain with a clip.


My Grom has a clip and it runs just fine. Might go wrap it with wire though!
Yeah- Suppose it can't hurt, right? It's not thick enough to make any contact with the sprocket, so I don't see it being an issue.


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Had a new chain put on at the dealer last year. A few miles later went to oil the chain and no clip. Bout had a heart attack. Either never put on or fell off. ( I guess they can fall off but never heard much about that.) In any event quickly went to a rivet.
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My chains use riveted master links BUT I always carry a clip type in case I break the chain some how. Doesn't take up much space and weighs next to nothing. All I ran on dirt bike for years and years were CLIP not rivet type links and never had a problem

Or was that look THEN leap?
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I much prefer riveted master links for the safety aspect. The master link kit I got with my chain had both kinds of master links.

Looks like they did a professional job with your clip on master link though.

Safety wiring is very important to keep a clip on master link from coming off accidentally. If it comes off the chain will fly off with major destructive force when it is rotating at highway speeds. It also has the potential to bind and lock the rear wheel when this happens.
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never had a clip link fail in over 20 years on bikes, incorrect fitment as with a rivet link they can both fail, the wire is over kill
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Clips never fall off but the internet is full of sad stories.
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Put this clip link chain on at 27,000km, at 40k now so no problem so far with chain.
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Multiple clip failures noted on this forum......I keep a clip master link only for emergency and have gone to rivet links only.

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If there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of the link failing, you are living on borrowed time!
Also would the securing wire not wear away every time it passes over the sprocket teeth?

You spend all this money on having a safe bike, yet this is an obvious flaw that some people put their trust in??
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would the securing wire not wear away every time it passes over the sprocket teeth?
The safety wire securing the clip wire will never contact the sprocket. The sprocket only comes in contact with the rollers and the inner links. There is a gap provided by the inner link that acts as a spacer to the safety wire which will not allow the wire to touch the sprocket (if installed properly).

Edit: Just safety wired the clip on my Grom. This photo shows the air gap between the wire and the sprocket:



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If there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of the link failing, you are living on borrowed time!
Then we are all living on borrowed time. There is always a chance a chain can lock up or break at any time and not be the fault of the master link. Obviously a quality well maintained and inspected chain/sprocket combo will provide better odds of preventing a premature failure.

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You spend all this money on having a safe bike, yet this is an obvious flaw that some people put their trust in??
I spent an hour or so reading all over the ADV forum, the link posted above by A2RON and others and found a mixed bag of information. The number of folks stating c-clip disappearances and failures are less compared to the folks who have logged many thousands of miles on them on road and off.

I am in no way stating the c-clips are better than properly riveted, nor am I saying they are crap. For those who have lost clips, we don't know the history of the install (possibly backward), or possibly spread too far during initial install. From watching how to videos, they are not super easy install and can be bent if not careful.

Since my Grom came from the factory with a c-clip, and it making ~9HP, I am not too concerned with a c-clip failure. For extra insurance, I just wired around my c-clip today and I will not have any worries of losing it.

When the time comes to install a new chain on my Versys, I will either rivet the masterlink or safety wire the clip.

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Good to know..............

I will continue to get mine riveted.
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never had a clip link fail in over 20 years on bikes, incorrect fitment as with a rivet link they can both fail, the wire is over kill
+1. 35 years ago thats what we had. We rode bush tracks, deep mud etc, Never lost a clip. Just make sure its fitted correctly and do not spread it to much when fitting.
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Do not spread it to much when fitting.
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...Just make sure its fitted correctly and do not spread it to much when fitting.
I discovered the TRUTH in this back in '63 when my Triumph primary chain came apart at speed due the clip being on backwards (my FIRST bike...), destroying the primary chaincase. (MY fault.)

I DID learn something....

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