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Valve Tapping

Well... 18,000KM on the bike. Not too much, but on my way home tonight I got something I had not heard in quite a while. Coming around a corner in 3rd, at ~2800 RPM, and laying on the go juice, I heard the cacophony of my valves rattling. Disturbing. I do ride it pretty hard, but maintain it like mad. Only happens under strain from accelerating hard in low RPM. I thought it would last longer before the valves needed adjusting. Booo!

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What gear were you in?

Nevermind, 3rd gear I see after re-reading it...




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Just went over 20,000 miles on my bike and mine have been tapping for awhile. I took mine to the dealer at about 17,000 and they told me they were in tolerance. It sure does sound like crap to me though but runs fine. I guess I'll take it back at 25,000 or do it this Winter whatever comes first.
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Sounds more like pre-ignition, valves just don't become loose all of a sudden. I sometimes hear the same thing under those condtions. Upgrading the fuel octane helps but doesn't stop it completely. Just go down another cog before dropping the hammer.

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I always run 93 octane and my bike has been making a noise for awhile. I took it to the dealer to have the valves checked and they said they were in tolerance. They said there was nothing to worry about but I don't like the noise it makes. According to the dealer there is nothing wrong.
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Are you happy with your engine oil?
Maybe a slightly thicker viscosity while help with the valve tapping.

Sure its not the camshaft chain? Maybe the chain tensioner has to be loosen and re-torqued.

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The oil viscosity doesn't make a difference as I tried that. What you said maybe a possibility. All I know is that it started in the Winter when I started my bike up and did something I shouldn't have done (rev the engine up to high). It instantly made a different engine noise and has been that way since. I took it to the dealer and they said there was nothing wrong with, changed the oil and filter, and charged me like $65.00. I took it back before the warranty ran out.
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Are you happy with your engine oil?
Maybe a slightly thicker viscosity while help with the valve tapping.

Sure its not the camshaft chain? Maybe the chain tensioner has to be loosen and re-torqued.

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Naw... it's valve clatter. Just started today. I will see if higher octain gas makes a difference, but I doubt it. It has run fine on regular so far.

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Only happens under strain from accelerating hard in low RPM.
That really does sound like pre-ignition from a batch of low-quality gasoline, and maybe also from long-term carbon buildup in the combustion chamber.

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You know the tapping you may be hearing are the cold air flaps on the air intake?

That is why your bike may seem to be working okay.

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You know the tapping you may be hearing are the cold air flaps on the air intake?
Air intake cold air flaps??
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They are part of the fuel injection system and throttle bodies and act similar to an automatic choke. If you have access to a service manual you can see them in the top image on page 3-103.

Kawasaki uses a similar setup on different models. I had a 1500 Classic Fi that you would swear needed a valve job because they were so lowed.

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You mean on page 3-102? I suspected that you were referring to the sub-throttle plates. I actually removed mine before I ever started my new Versys...

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That really does sound like pre-ignition from a batch of low-quality gasoline, and maybe also from long-term carbon buildup in the combustion chamber.
You might be right. Filled up with fresh stuff, and I have not heard it again.

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Right on, Red Herring.
Which gas station did the offending 87 pump octane gas come from? What's in it now? You'd probably be ok with 89... I like the extra tractability and mileage I get out of 91 octane, especially with 5 degrees more ignition timing advance.
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Right on, Red Herring.
Which gas station did the offending 87 pump octane gas come from? What's in it now? You'd probably be ok with 89... I like the extra tractability and mileage I get out of 91 octane, especially with 5 degrees more ignition timing advance.
I usually only fill from Petro Canada or Chevron. I have notices some knock in my wifes car as well. I wonder if they have been diluting the gas of late?

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So you're still on 87?
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So you're still on 87?
Filled with 94 this time. I hate using the mid grades, because the first 4 liters are whatever the last guy pumped... usually regular. I do like running 91, but usually put in 87.

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Invader,

A lot of people get them removed. Did you have any cold starting issues afterward?

It seems to be a hit and miss for some people.

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No cold start problems whatsoever with the plates removed.
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