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Fuel injector cleaner

Anyone use them on a regular basis? Also, other than the screen on the injector pump, is there any fuel filter?

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As illustrated on page 3-90 in the service manual:
"Pump Screen, Fuel Filter Cleaning.
○The fuel filter [A] is built into the pump and cannot be cleaned or checked. If the fuel filter is suspected of clogging or being damaged, replace it with the fuel pump as a set."

I add 1 ml of Lucas fuel conditioner & upper cylinder lubricant to every liter of gas (1:1000) that goes in my tank. (1.28 ounce per 10 gallon) It increases the life of pumps and injectors, and also improves fuel efficiency. I use it in my car too and noticed a marked improvement...
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...el%20Treatment

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+1 to invader's recommendation. I don't do every tank, but I add some periodically. You can buy a gallon of the stuff at most auto parts stores. I bought the gallon plus the small bottle. I reuse the little bottle to carry a small amount with me to the pump when I want to add some. It might be snake oil, but it makes me feel and it doesn't cost much.

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I've heard of adding Marvel Mystery oil, does anyone have any experience with it? I have a fear of carbon build up in the cylinders by adding "OIL"
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Great info Invader, is that a Kawasaki Versys service manual, and how much will
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Use 3M fuel injector cleaner once in a blue moon.
Works fine.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...gl50F4KM98BLbl

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As illustrated on page 3-90 in the service manual:
"Pump Screen, Fuel Filter Cleaning.
○The fuel filter [A] is built into the pump and cannot be cleaned or checked. If the fuel filter is suspected of clogging or being damaged, replace it with the fuel pump as a set."

I add 2 ml of Lucas fuel conditioner & upper cylinder lubricant to every liter of gas that goes in my tank. (2 ounces per 10 gallon) It increases the life of pumps and injectors, and also improves fuel efficiency. I use it in my car too and noticed a marked improvement...
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...el%20Treatment
Well, this sounds like a must try.

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Every 4th tank or so, I throw in some Sea Foam.
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Try Seafoam. I've used it in all my bikes, mowers, and cars for the last 20 years with great results.

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That SeaFoam just reminds me of the floating white frothy foam that builds up by the sea shore, but is a 100% pure petroleum product that is said to be pretty good stuff.

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I work in a shop and and we never NEVER suggest injector cleaner or fuel aditives , they can do more harm than good in some cases...

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So when is it safe to start adding seafoam to fuel and oil? Should I wait until after the break in period ~2k miles, or would it make a difference to start sooner? How about in the oil changes? Add it to the 600m that's coming up or wait?
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The whole thing doesn't really make sense to me. I see it as a feel-good measure that won't really help anything.

Gasoline has detergents in it to prevent deposits on injectors and other components.
For that matter, motor oil also contains detergents to capture soot and dirt floating in the oil.

I feel safer running oil and fuel I trust in the first place, than putting in additives that Kawasaki, Mobil 1, and Exxon didn't have in their calculations when they were coming up with their products.

Just because you run additives for 100,000 miles doesn't mean it helped any. I suspect your average modern vehicle would go 100,000 miles on cheap fuel from rusty barrels in sub saharan africa and cheap bulk SAE oil.
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So when is it safe to start adding seafoam to fuel and oil? Should I wait until after the break in period ~2k miles, or would it make a difference to start sooner? How about in the oil changes? Add it to the 600m that's coming up or wait?
Just use quality oil like mentioned. I did a quick break-in and changed the oil at 150 miles, then switched to Amsoil synthetic at 1300 miles when I started adding Lucas fuel conditioner to the gasoline. I'll just reduce the ratio from 2 ounces to about 1 ounce per 10 US gallons of gasoline (2 to 4 ounces Lucas recommended)... It is thicker than Marvel's fuel additive which recommends 4 ounces per 10 gallons. It does more than pay for itself in fuel economy alone, in motorcycle and car as well.
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Most gasoline company have all kind of cleaning additive in their gasoline nowadays, I don't think adding gas treatment is necessary. Probably just a waste of money.

A few years ago, I read somewhere online that carbon build up in the engine around 5000 miles or so. I used to add injector cleaner right before my next oil change just to clean things up a little.

Can someone confirm for sure whether our gasoline now can clean engine better than before?

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Shell now has nitrogen enriched gasolines, to help keep valves and combustion chamber cleaner... Still, my fuel mileage is up by at least 5% when I add 2 ounces of Lucas fuel treatment per 10 US galllons of gasoline. That's enough to pay for itself nearly 3 times, as I get 4 gallon cases for less...
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Shell now has nitrogen enriched gasolines, to help keep valves and combustion chamber cleaner... Still, my fuel mileage is up by at least 5% when I add 2 ounces of Lucas fuel treatment per 10 US galllons of gasoline. That's enough to pay for itself nearly 3 times, as I get 4 gallon cases for less...
Just wondering... How much are these Lucas stuff? Where can I get them? I had never heard of them... I don't go to autopart store as often as I used to...

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Any auto parts store. Walmart might even have it...



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Lucas Oil is based in Corona, California. Their products are available at Auto Zone, Advance Auto, Napa, O'Reilly Auto Parts, Carquest, PEP Boys, Checker, Shucks, Kragen, Murray's and CSK Auto Parts Stores nationwide... Find your nearest retailer here: http://www.lucasoil.com/retailers/
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