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Ignition coils

Hello people, it's been a long time since I posted here....
I have a question about ignition coils for the V 650: are they the same type as the coils in 2003. Kawasaki ZX6R Ninja model?
I have a bit of a problem with the coils in my bike, one of them has a small crack, so it misfires sometimes in wet conditions. The new ones are very expensive, so I am looking to buy them used (one guy sells 4 of the coils from Ninja in good looking condition), but cannot confirm similarity or compatibility with the Ninja's coils. In the picture they look similar, but I cannot find any details about that coils in Ninja bike. The guy does not live near me, so I cannot go over to him and simply check, so please give me some advice.

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A well known problem that can effect Mk1 V's - Think coil was changed on Mk2's
Also effect other Kawasaki models that use the same Stick Coil.

Taken from this Website HERE

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Cracked Stick Coil Casings

A number of owners have reported that after a period of engine rough running or during spark plug inspection/replacement they have discovered cracks in the plastic casing of the Stick Coils. Stick Coils are a combined ignition coil and spark plug cap.



The consensus is that the Stick Coils (Kawasaki P/N 21171-1286) appears to have cracked due to heat damage, however it is also likely that it is due to internal corrosion. There is often evidence of moisture ingress and rust on the Stick Coils during removal and some owners recommend fitting with a smear of silicone grease around the rubber seal to enhance sealing. Some owners who discovered this issue during servicing and not had a rough running issue have carried out a temporary repair to the Stick Coil using High Temperature RTV to fill the crack.

From internet forum posts the following repair procedures may work: The corroded metal sheath can be removed by firstly pulling the rubber boot seal off the bottom of the coil then removing the cracked plastic sleeve. The corroded metal sleeve can then be cleaned up and treated with ?rust kill? or replaced with some aluminium foil as it is probably required for EMI suppression. The plastic sleeve can be replaced by wrapping with electrical or self annealing tape or repaired using Araldite or High Temperature RTV to fill the crack.

The other problem is that if the stick coil is left in the motor for too long after it has split it becomes very difficult to remove. There are reports from a dealer who discovered this issue during a service and it necessary to remove the entire motor to extract the coils.

The only way to get around this issue to keep taking the coils out to check them. Do it regularly and you should be able to spot a split as it forms and prevent the real grief of getting it stuck. Again consider using a non-conductive grease on the exterior of the stick-coils when refitting especially around the rubber seal.

Both the primary and secondary windings of the Stick Coil can be tested using a multimeter as follows:



Primary windings (A) should be 1.1 to 1.5 ohms. Secondary windings (B) should be 10.8 to 16.2 kilo-ohms (10800 to 16200 ohms).

Kawasaki advise that the original Ignition Coil Assembly P/N 21171-1286 has now been superseded by P/N 21171-0028, hopefully this is an improved product to overcome this failure.

Kawasaki use Nippon Denso coils, the Kawasaki P/N 21171-1286 is a Denso P/N 129700-4580, and P/N 21171-0028 is a Denso P/N 129700-5350. The primary windings for both these parts are 1.1 to 1.5 ohms. The secondary windings (coil windings - top pin to plug) are 10.8 to 16.2 kilo-ohms. Any stick coil meeting these characteristics and having the correct physical dimensions should work OK as a replacement.

These are relatively costly items so those looking for second-hand (used) replacements can also use Stick Coils fitted to the following Kawasaki models as follows:

Kawasaki.com list P/N 21171-1286 fitted to the following:

ER650A6F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2006)
ER650A6S (ER-6n (European)) (2006)
ER650A7F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2007)
ER650A7F (ER-6n (European)) (2007)
ER650A8F (ER-6n (Australian)) (2008)
ER650A8F (ER-6n (European)) (2008)
ER650C9F (ER-6n) (2009)
ER650CAF (ER-6n) (2010)
EX650A6F (Ninja 650R) (2006)
EX650A7F (Ninja 650R) (2007)
EX650A8F (Ninja 650R) (2008)
EX650C9F (Ninja 650R) (2009)
EX650CAF (Ninja 650R) (2010)
KLE650A7F (CANADA ONLY) (2007)
KLE650A7F (Versys (European)) (2007)
KLE650A8F (Versys (European)) (2008)
KLE650A8F (Versys) (2008)
KLE650A9F (Versys (European)) (2009)
KLE650A9F (Versys) (2009)
ZR1000-A1 (Z1000) (2003)
ZR1000-A1H (Z1000 (European)) (2003)
ZR1000-A2 (Z1000) (2004)
ZR1000-A2H (Z1000 (European)) (2004)
ZR1000-A3 (Z1000) (2005)
ZR1000-A3H (Z1000 (European)) (2005)
ZR1000A6F (Z1000 (European)) (2006)
ZR1000A6F (Z1000) (2006)
ZR1000B7F (Z1000 (European)) (2007)
ZR1000B7F (Z1000) (2007)
ZR1000B8F (Z1000 (European)) (2008)
ZR1000B8F (Z1000) (2008)
ZR1000B9F (Z1000 (European)) (2009)
ZR750-K1 (Z750S) (2005)
ZR750K6F (Z750S) (2006)
ZR750L7F (Z750 (Australian)) (2007)
ZR750L7F (Z750 (European)) (2007)
ZR750L8F (Z750 (Australian)) (2008)
ZR750L8F (Z750 (European)) (2008)
ZR750L9F (Z750 (European)) (2009)
ZR750LAF (Z750 (European)) (2010)
ZR750LAS (Z750 (European)) (2010)
ZX1200-B3 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2004)
ZX1200-B4 (Ninja ZX-12R) (2005)
ZX1200B6F (Ninja ZX-12R (European)) (2006)

Kawasaki.com list P/N 21171-0028 fitted to the following:

KLE650CAF (Versys) (2010)
ZR1000DAF (Z1000) (2010)

Owners report that a Mitsubishi stick coil P/N F5T560-5323 can also be used.
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Have you checked ebay. I replaced my 09 coils with 2010 before the first of the year.Got them real cheap on ebay. If the shipping not outrageous you can have the ones i took off. Theres nothing wrong with them just wanted to upgrade them when i got the others so cheep. So if you want them let me know.

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Have you checked ebay. I replaced my 09 coils with 2010 before the first of the year.Got them real cheap on ebay. If the shipping not outrageous you can have the ones i took off. Theres nothing wrong with them just wanted to upgrade them when i got the others so cheep. So if you want them let me know.
I will have that in mind, thank you. For now shipping items to Croatia sometimes costs more than items itself
I have some options here to buy perfectly good coils taken from 2003 zx6r so I just wanted to check if they fit.

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Yes, I also replaced my original Denso coils with Mitsubishi F6T560 coils.
With a bit of silicone grease or even high temp, you can make them fit as the seal is a different design and a bit tight, but they fit superbly and prevent corrosion. The rubber seals from your old Denso coils fit onto the Mitsubishi coils, but they will still let water in. The Mitsubishi seal has a lip that holds the rubber in place.

ZX-6RR 03-06, NINJA ZX-6R 05-08: Part # 21171-1282 / Mitsubishi F6T560
ZX10: Mitsubishi F6T549/560
ZG14 08 (Concours): Mitsubishi F6T560

http://www.versys.co.uk/index.php/topic,11484.0.html
http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177194
http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4707

2007-2009 Versys original coils # 21171-1286 (Denso 129700-4580) were replaced with # 21171-0028 (Denso 129700-5350) for 2010+ models.

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~sh...ml#Question_13

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Yes, I also replaced my original Denso coils with Mitsubishi F6T560 coils.
With a bit of silicone grease or even high temp, you can make them fit as the seal is a different design and a bit tight, but they fit superbly and prevent corrosion. The rubber seals from your old Denso coils fit onto the Mitsubishi coils, but they will still let water in. The Mitsubishi seal has a lip that holds the rubber in place.

ZX-6RR 03-06, NINJA ZX-6R 05-08: Part # 21171-1282 / Mitsubishi F6T560
ZX10: Mitsubishi F6T549/560
ZG14 08 (Concours): Mitsubishi F6T560


http://www.versys.co.uk/index.php/topic,11484.0.html
http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177194
http://gtr1000.yuku.com/topic/4707

2007-2009 Versys original coils # 21171-1286 (Denso 129700-4580) were replaced with # 21171-0028 (Denso 129700-5350) for 2010+ models.

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~sh...ml#Question_13

thank you! I think I will order those used on a '03 zx6r and fit them on my bike (if I don't sell it these days)

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