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Do not stick to WD40 ONLY...

In the thread http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ad.php?t=27634
you can read about my and another guy's problem. We were both having a grinding/ rubbing sound coming from the chain.

Now I know what the cause was on my V.

This year I had only been using WD40 as a lubricant. I have lubed the chain at least once a week. The chain looked really good and clean but I could not stand that annoying sound nor find out what it came from. I tried to soak the chain in WD40, wipe it off, but that did not help the least.

Yesterday I was almost buying a sprocket/chain kit on eBay, today I am happy I didn't.

Inspecting the chain very closely today I found that the rollers were moving very freely, too freely for my taste. In fact, the rollers acted as if the chain was completely dry - which is probably was! I picked up a can of regular chain lube and soaked the chain and the noise went away.

IMHO a recommendation would be: Use WD40 to clean the chain, but soak it with regular chain spray lube once in a while.

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Thanks, anders... Useful info!

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And my rebuttal - my '08 has OVER 42,000 miles on the ORIGINAL chain; my '09 has OVER 23,000 kms on the ORIGINAL chain; BOTH have ONLY been lubed and cleaned with WD40. It'll be interesting to see how many MORE miles each one gets...!


To re-iterate - NEVER have I used any other chain-care product on either bike!


Additionally - my '04 KLR's chain lasted 54,000 kms (AGAIN - WD40 ONLY), and then only died because I over-tightened it in Watson Lake, NWT.

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And my rebuttal - my '08 has OVER 42,000 miles on the ORIGINAL chain; my '09 has OVER 23,000 kms on the ORIGINAL chain; BOTH have ONLY been lubed and cleaned with WD40. It'll be interesting to see how many MORE miles each one gets...!


To re-iterate - NEVER have I used any other chain-care product on either bike!


Additionally - my '04 KLR's chain lasted 54,000 kms (AGAIN - WD40 ONLY), and then only died because I over-tightened it in Watson Lake, NWT.
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I have to agree that wd40 wont hurt the chain especially if your cleaning/lubing it every week. I was using expensive chain products then I gave wd40 a try and it works great. I then switched to 75w90 gear oil and it seems to work super amazing as well. I also clean/lube my chain every week and after every rainy day. As long as the chain is clean with a little lube on the o rings and rollers I think its gonna be fine. A buddy at work who commutes on a 250r exclusively uses wd40 just like fast eddie and no issues.
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Thoroughly I have read all the pros and cons on this forum regarding WD40.
I have tried the pro WD40 guys tricks and I am not convinced. Period. Sorry for you...
Maybe the air is different here i Europe, it could also be the climate, or something else....
To compensate the low viscosity in WD40 I think you have to lube every day, or maybe twice a day. Otherwise the chain will dry out, just like mine did.
Anyhow, I might be Swedish, but I need more than just sheer words to be convinced.
Pls note that I have said nothing about the longevity, only the aaaaaawful sound.
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On a side note WD-40is or has come out with specialist formulas like this http://www.wd40specialist.com/produc...one-lubricant/

Specifically for lubing things like chains etc... Never tried it but food for thought


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Using wd40 or gear oil and cleaning the chain once a week has kept the 1lb of gunk from building up in the front sprocket cover. Using chain wax and purpose lube I would always have this massive buildup in the front sprocket after a week or two, now everything stays clean.
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i have always believed in the cleaning properties of wd40, no second doubt on that.

But cleaning is all i use it for. Once it's clean and sparkling, i turn on the tab on my Scottoiler.

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Using wd40 or gear oil and cleaning the chain once a week has kept the 1lb of gunk from building up in the front sprocket cover. Using chain wax and purpose lube I would always have this massive buildup in the front sprocket after a week or two, now everything stays clean.
Thats because they have properties that make them gel or cling to provide lubrication. Oil will flow or wash away.

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i have always believed in the cleaning properties of wd40, no second doubt on that.
But cleaning is all i use it for. Once it's clean and sparkling, i turn on the tab on my Scottoiler.
+1 I agree to the extent of 145 % , after having peformed my not so scientific and statistically significant experiment.

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Thats because they have properties that make them cling to provide lubrication. Oil will flow or wash away.

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This is probably what happened to my V. I addition to this I can mention that I am using the bike "in an active way" to put it mildly, merely for commuting on highways which means that the speed rarely falls below 120 km/h, sometimes it goes up to 160 km/h. The trip is 75 km back and forth, I do it five days a week! If you bum around in a pace of maximum 60-70 km/h WD40 might stick longer on your chain.

Reagarding gunk: You will either find the lubricant in an even layer on all the rear parts of your bike, where it will end up if you a WD40:er, or you will have to take care of the gunk around the front sprocket and some spots on the rear rim if you are a "regularler". You have a choice here, pick the one you like most.

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Regarding longevity using WD40 as food: Spray in your mouth and you will understand what I'm talking about. Even if you don't take WD40 orally it will definitely affect your life span. If you choose WD40 as your ONLY lubricant you will find yourself spending the greater part of your life on hands and knees spraying chains, something that will bore you to death pretty soon...
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WD-40 is ok for occasional chain cleaning:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/

Real chain lube like Maxima's Synthetic Chain Guard is hard to beat:
http://www.maximausa.com/shopping/in...products_id=29
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Agree Invader,
Just picked up a couple of cans of Maxima on eBay. Will be interesting to test.

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Funny I always see this post on every board I go to. Watt-man the maker to the Thremo-Bob has a good write up on his site. Here's a man you can trust IMHO. He thinks it's good stuff


I use it to clean my chains BUT I then use Maxima Chain Wax to lube things. My only problem with WD-40 is it may work great in a dry climate BUT in Ohio you never know when the bottom will drop out. And WD-40 just doesn't stick in a driving rain like chain wax does. You also forget your rain gear ONCE!

I have found it will build up as pointed out BUT if you clean things monthly it's easy to stay on top of. BTW GOOP hand cleaner and a plastic knife/scraper work well to get it off

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+1 I agree to the extent of 145 % , after having peformed my not so scientific and statistically significant experiment.


This is probably what happened to my V. I addition to this I can mention that I am using the bike "in an active way" to put it mildly, merely for commuting on highways which means that the speed rarely falls below 120 km/h, sometimes it goes up to 160 km/h. The trip is 75 km back and forth, I do it five days a week! If you bum around in a pace of maximum 60-70 km/h WD40 might stick longer on your chain.

Reagarding gunk: You will either find the lubricant in an even layer on all the rear parts of your bike, where it will end up if you a WD40:er, or you will have to take care of the gunk around the front sprocket and some spots on the rear rim if you are a "regularler". You have a choice here, pick the one you like most.


You bet Seeya, these guys know for sure what WD40 is about. Seeya!


Regarding longevity using WD40 as food: Spray in your mouth and you will understand what I'm talking about. Even if you don't take WD40 orally it will definitely affect your life span. If you choose WD40 as your ONLY lubricant you will find yourself spending the greater part of your life on hands and knees spraying chains, something that will bore you to death pretty soon...
I would agree. The harder/tougher the application/environment the better the lubrication has to be. I wonder how "moreys oil stablaliser" would go. This is one sticky oil additive. I used moreys mixed with ep90 gear oil to lube my screw type 4 post vehicle hoist and chain. I replaced the chain and one screw after 26 years of operation. I might give this brew a go on the V
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Funny I always see this post on every board I go to. Watt-man the maker to the Thremo-Bob has a good write up on his site. Here's a man you can trust IMHO. He thinks it's good stuff


I use it to clean my chains BUT I then use Maxima Chain Wax to lube things. My only problem with WD-40 is it may work great in a dry climate BUT in Ohio you never know when the bottom will drop out. And WD-40 just doesn't stick in a driving rain like chain wax does. You also forget your rain gear ONCE!

I have found it will build up as pointed out BUT if you clean things monthly it's easy to stay on top of. BTW GOOP hand cleaner and a plastic knife/scraper work well to get it off
Good point, Time!
Mr Thermo-Bob states that his chains did not stretch. I trust him. I do not think WD40 gets past the o-rings. Behind the o-rings is where the grease is contained. As long as you keep the grease where it should be the chain will be lubed from inside - That's why Bob's chains didn't stretch. It is as simple as that.
My chain did not stretch much either, stretching was never my problem. The rollers were my problem. The chain rattled like a rattle snake, because the rollers were dry. After having lubed the chain with WD40 it took only a couple of spins and the chain was dry again. My sensitive ears just could not stand the noise.
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In the thread http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ad.php?t=27634
you can read about my and another guy's problem. We were both having a grinding/ rubbing sound coming from the chain.

Now I know what the cause was on my V.

This year I had only been using WD40 as a lubricant. I have lubed the chain at least once a week. The chain looked really good and clean but I could not stand that annoying sound nor find out what it came from. I tried to soak the chain in WD40, wipe it off, but that did not help the least.

Yesterday I was almost buying a sprocket/chain kit on eBay, today I am happy I didn't.

Inspecting the chain very closely today I found that the rollers were moving very freely, too freely for my taste. In fact, the rollers acted as if the chain was completely dry - which is probably was! I picked up a can of regular chain lube and soaked the chain and the noise went away.
I had the same thing happen on a week long trip on my old GPZ. Forgot the chain lube, so just used WD40. By the end of the trip the chain noise was driving me crazy!
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Same thing happened with my limited gold edition '82 GPz 550 on a trip to Calgary and back with a bad can of PJ1 chain lube in 1984. It may have been even thinner than WD40, and my chain was horrifically mulched to a crisp.

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Good point, Time!
Mr Thermo-Bob states that his chains did not stretch. I trust him. I do not think WD40 gets past the o-rings. Behind the o-rings is where the grease is contained. As long as you keep the grease where it should be the chain will be lubed from inside - That's why Bob's chains didn't stretch. It is as simple as that....
Bill, who designed the "Thermo-Bob", is a long-time KLR rider. They have a 'balancer-chain-adjuster' piece that's referred to as the "Doohickey" or just "Doo" for short, that is prone to breakage. In English a lot of folks refer to something that has a complex name as a "doohickey" a "thing-a-ma-jig or a "thing-a-ma-bob" so when Bill designed the thermostat-bypass (incidentally, first of all for KLRs), he came up with "Thermo-Bob" as a continuation of that.

Incidentally, after having aftermarket chains that did NOT last long, Bill has bought several ORIGINAL (but low-mileage) Kawasaki KLR chains from wrecked KLRs because they are the BEST ones! AND uses nothing but WD40 on his chains.


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Same thing happened with my limited gold edition '82 GPz 550 on a trip to Calgary and back with a bad can of PJ1 chain lube in 1984. It may have been even thinner than WD40, and my chain was horrifically mulched to a crisp.
My KLR chain started being noisy the day I changed it going up the Alcan (54,000 kms), and neither of my Versys chains are YET noisy with 43,000 miles on one, 14,300 on the other, ALL three on WD40 ONLY diets....

Guess I'm just lucky.


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